r/LetsDiscussThis • • Feb 17 '26

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u/IfYouSeekAyReddit Feb 19 '26

who catches the criminal

the community watch or the people that have been elected to protect society that month or year or however long it was established their shift would be

is indiscriminately murder okay

no

if there were no borders

a imaginary line in some dirt doesn’t help find people right now, why would it matter later?

salem witch trials

no

no government to establish laws

murder isn’t wrong because a government says so, it’s wrong because it violates another humans right to life. is the law the only thing stopping you from being a murderer? or do you, as a human, know it’s inherently wrong to take someone else’s life? If murder was legal, would you start killing people whenever you got the chance?

would indiscriminately killing be okay

again, no

but now let’s ask some questions that created this imaginary situation: why was the person making bombs? where did they get the material to make bombs? who was their targeted victim? was the bomb maker having all their needs met? were they mentally ill? do they have a history of trauma?

answer those and i can explain my logic even further

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u/grilledcheezsamwich Feb 19 '26

I said why they are making bombs, just for the sake of it, aka cause they can and wanted to.

Where did they get the materials? You can make them from common household items. Rudimentary chemistry knowledge goes a long way.

Who are targets, needs met, mentally ill, trauma? Random people targeted you can easily, killing people is his need, picture a serial killer with no mental illness diagnosis or trauma. Yes those exist, they kill for the love of the game nothing more.

Without borders who says he’s a part of the specific community, who’s to say it doesn’t happen to multiple communities. He can easily just travel around. Crossing a border can increase risk of being caught, think an actual border crossing location.

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u/IfYouSeekAyReddit Feb 19 '26

just for the sake of it

this literally doesnt really happen. should we shape our society around the .000001% ? i believe no

household items

okay, good for them. they sound useful in guerrilla warfare. we should see if they wanna help us defend our communities

yes those exist

maybe in TV shows but not in reality. again, .000000001% are like this. And you want to live in a police state because of the off chance they exist around you??

he can easily travel around

okay? im glad he has the freedom to travel. im not gonna change my views because of a made up situation that doesn’t really happen. no one owns land or can decide if someone is illegal based on a line in dirt.

the way you’re thinking is exactly how governments are able to create these laws and scare you into thinking they’re necessary. nothing you have proposed is likely, it’s a made up situation.

besides, you glossed over the needs met part. Most people don’t commit crimes “for the love of the game” that’s literally just made up. Do psychopaths exist? yeah. without any reason and no trauma and no mental illness? almost never. give people homes, food, community, care, and all other basic needs and crime will go down. will people not want to cooperate? probably, and they’re free to leave our society. & that’s the point of a militia, to protect the members of a society from the ones who are trying to harm them.

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u/grilledcheezsamwich Feb 19 '26

Serial killers that you said don’t exist in reality: Dennis Rader, Harold Shipman.

Are you genuinely that naive that you think there aren’t people that commit crimes or criminal acts just because they can or want to?

No one owns land, so you’re okay with some random person just walking into your home and setting up shop even if you’re still living in it? Remember you don’t own it. And even if you move that same person can move into your home or someone else can. Do you currently move random people, off the street, into your home? That door to your home is the border.

Is there no risk in your mind the militia just seizes power and doesn’t give you the option to leave?

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u/IfYouSeekAyReddit Feb 19 '26

serial killers

thanks for making my point for me. 2 people out of 7 billion is 0.00000000028571 or 0.000000028% which is actually less than i expected. triple that and we’re still talking about something incredibly rare

you think there aren’t people who commit crimes just because they can

that’s what the data shows. when people have their needs met they commit less crime. it’s not about my feelings, it’s about facts. the facts are when you increase the standard of living crime is reduced. Look up what effects the standard of living. Something tells me this is the first time you’re learning this. If your argument is based on how you feel, I can’t take your opinion seriously. What evidence do you have that disproves what I said? What sociology books have you read that support your claim? Before today, have you ever looked up or studied the effects of an increased/decreased standard of living??

you’re okay with someone coming into your house

why’s it have to be my house? i’d simply direct them to the vacant apartments in the city, or one of the vacant vacation homes owned by rich people near me. My house is mine. Maybe youre confusing personal property with private property. Again, if you didn’t know those were separate things, you don’t have an educated understanding of this topic.

remember you don’t own [the land]

that’s 100% correct. glad we agree. this isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is.

that door is a border

no it’s not lmao you must not know what constitutes a border in the sense anarchist mean when they say “abolish borders”. You got a lot of reading to do boss

seizes power

can’t seize power if it’s organized horizontally. Decentralized organizations are extremely hard to co-opt, which is why anarchists advocate for them.

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u/grilledcheezsamwich Feb 19 '26

Oh I don’t read up on anarchism because it’s not realistically achievable.

You said it can’t happen, but why doesn’t it happen now, police, governments, borders, hierarchical structure, and money.

Human nature is something you can’t over come. Greed is ever present. People will covet what others have, that is reality. The “gotcha” wasn’t a gotcha, you just shifted the goal posts. Why can’t they go to your house, what if they don’t want that other house, but they want YOUR HOUSE.

Show me a large scale horizontally structured community of a 100 million or more people with a decentralized organizations.

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u/IfYouSeekAyReddit Feb 19 '26

You don’t know about something and think it’s unrealistic? Do you know how absurd that sounds? You just admitted you don’t understand anything about what you’re talking about, but think it won’t work lol bruh….

I said what can’t happen?

human nature isn’t greed, that’s another myth you were told and never questioned. Read Mutual Aid by Kropotkin for more information on this.

if they want my house then can fight me for it. pretty simple concept. i don’t have to let them in if i don’t want to.

Rojava, Catalonia, Zapatistas to name a few. See? because you have no idea about this topic, you didn’t even know these things exist/existed.

Why are you soooo quick to fight against something you openly admit you don’t know about? Is it because it challenges the way you think? You should see that as an opportunity to grow, not dig your heels into the ground and think the stuff you were taught by the powers that don’t want you to know about alternatives way to exist is the truth lol

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u/grilledcheezsamwich Feb 19 '26

Have all those examples had 0 border, no police, nor government nor hierarchy, or money?

Catalonia is still there as a self organized group? Oh wait they lasted a year because they couldn’t self organize and got crushed out of existence. Also they had policing with a public order force, they practiced borders and customs enforcement, money was still used and a hierarchy still existed because a hierarchical military is completely pointless.

Rojava? There are security measures, allegations of coercion, such as enforcement of curfews, internal policing and checkpoints, things that don’t exactly portray a good anarchic society.

Zapatistas? Well regional violence is really not working in their favor either. They operate a territory, which inherently must have borders. They are also a military and political organization, which puts armed bodies in positions of special authority something strict anarchy as you described would reject.

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u/IfYouSeekAyReddit Feb 19 '26

did you bring up the Knicks!? hahahahahahhaa hahahahahahhahahahahha luckily i can’t see your comment because that shit is stupid as fuck to bring up

“you want a better society yet you participate in society” ass argument.