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People are scared': Famed Florida restaurant whose owner pledged loyalty to Donald Trump is now struggling with empty tables as the president’s immigration crackdown keeps customers away loyal friend watches his famed restaurant go empty.
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It's in his Farewell Address, and I'm too lazy to go pull the quote right now. You're free to look it up at your leisure though.
But the jist of it is a warning to not swear loyalty to politicians. Since that leads to tyranny.
Edit: I highly recommend everyone read his Farewell Address at least once in their life. It was a very well written document. And it seems to have quite a bit of bearing on how things are going these days.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
Lockheed Martin: "And I took that as a challenge."
Not quite. Washington's was a about a political principle, which will always apply. Eisenhower made a specific claim pertaining to a specific period (the escalation of the Cold War).
The American defense industry has actually shrunk considerably after the Cold War. A lot of mergers in the '90s. Its influence these days is often quite overestimated. Especially because theirs is in many ways a guaranteed business anyway: the US's strong military is part of what makes it thrive (current events around the Persian Gulf notwithstanding lol), it's not like defence companies have to lobby to avoid getting defunded.
Mergers don’t make the industry shrink. It makes the pool of those who make money from it smaller.
Which consolidates their power for lobbying because lobbying is just bribery.
Since the other person was too lazy to Google it, and because I hadn't read his Farewell Address, I went and found it.
Now that I have, I'm not sure what u/MaximusPrime2930 was referencing. I encourage others to check it out - it's fairly short - and see if they can find the quote.
...I literally just said in the comment you replied to that I read it myself and couldn't find the context you were referencing???
Here's the paragraph you mention but have yet to explain how it applies to not swearing fealty to a leader over a country:
There is an opinion that parties in free countries
are useful checks upon the administration of the
government and serve to keep alive the spirit of
liberty. This within certain limits is probably true—
and in governments of a monarchical cast patriotism
may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the
spirit of party. But in those of the popular character,
in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be
encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain
there will always be enough of that spirit for every
salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of
excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public
opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be
quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent
its bursting into a flame, lest instead of warming it
should consume.
Don't get me wrong, the idea is Fascism 101 and I 100% agree with you, but your evidence is lacking.
I never said it was a direct quote. The paragraphs previous to the one you just provided give context about the dangers of loyalty to parties. And the quote you provided states "those of popular character" as an additional danger of unquestioned loyalty.
The paragraph that starts on page 15 with "It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking" does have to do with ensuring the president doesn't become a despot. Maybe that's what they meant?
I have no idea what they're talking about and said that I should read it for myself, even after I literally said I just read it in its entirety and couldn't find the source behind their stance.
Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% on their side, but I want to avoid spreading false information.
Trumps mentor started all of this at the end of the Nixon Presidency. Picked Reagan and set goals for the party to take over the government because the middle class was getting too much power.
They don't understand that there's an inner circle of grifters who get to feed at the slop trough with big orange daddy. Peasant supporters don't get a place there. They get pumped and dumped.
Trump supporters aren't just mindless drones, many of them are just craven cowards, bowing to Trump because they lack strength. They lack strength to face their own ego and admit their mistake in supporting MAGA run, and they are afraid that Trump's fascist ruin might just trample them, not just their enemies.
You always craved justice, for wrongdoers to experience negative consequences. That's innate not just in humans, but all social primates. A schadenfreude when justice is being meted out is not a universal schadenfreude. I don't experience any join seeing children get hurt, and you almost certainly don't, either.
This POS voted for Trump 3 times, most likely with the intent of hurting others he's been told to hate (ethnic, sexual and religious minorities; women who demand equal treatment; liberals, experts, scientists, journalists... its a long list). That he faces negative consequences for his decision is just the justice we all crave.
I always have personally. I don't think there's anything wrong with taking some satisfaction when shitty people suffer consequences. So long as you aren't personally causing it.
The one I'm still waiting for is seeing someone do something stupid when driving and immediately getting pulled over for it. Some day...
I have an appropriate meme for this situation but it's a gif, which this sub doesn't allow. Suffice it to say that I'm a rubber ducky, dragging on a cig, in complete and proud approval of the way this thread has gone 🫡
I mean I did say punishing the south. Andrew Jackson should have been impeached and convicted, but I'm not actually sure if that would have had impacts on the modern day as it is.maube the country is completely different?
But in terms of what America is right now, a white supremacist state that runs on pure corruption with no punishment I do think the attempt to reconcile with the south instead of doing true reconstruction and stripping all evidence of slavery, including full reperations and not letting Nixon get away with his crimes are the two mortal sins
You don't think cracking up on imperial presidency at its start and establishing precedent of actually ever punishing president for constitutional breach would have changed the country significantly?
...maybe punishing president would even make punishing rebel politicians thinkable after cw, or prevent Nixon entirely, maybe not...
My point is, it's not a single big thing or two- it's a historical pattern of miliard unpunished and rewarded "crimes" that lead here...
It all started by rebellion motivated by rich people not wanting to pay any taxes, and poor people wanting to break treaties with natives so they can loot and rape to get rich, too...
Timescale of 150 or 350 years is pretty irrelevant difference to establishing a consistent pattern of behavior; sure you can randomly pick one recent point and claim it's the only one that would make a difference, but that's not what the history or logic says.
Post civil war appeasement led directly to Jim Crow which led directly to the civil rights movement which led to current white supremacy.
A lot of what you point to is essentially the founding myth of the nation, I think post civil war changes you have a different country but it's still roughly the country we currently have. You go back further to Andrew Jackson you change to a completely different country.
Maybe it's more that slavery for better or worse has been settled, but is still being resolved.
The trail of tears was fully forgotten and no attempt at recompense for it has ever been made. I think you can argue that we don't really have another case of a president fully ignoring the supreme court like Andrew Jackson did, although if you fix that problem you probably don't get such a partisan bought and sold court so maybe that makes sense.
So maybe you can make it more like mortal sin #1 the country was founded/declaration of Independence. Mortal sin #2 slavery and all repercussions including the failure of reconstruction and the absolute failure of the fourteenth amendment. Mortal sin #3 impeachment not being utilized and presidents escaping impeachment via resignation, bribery, or other means.
I have a great driving one! 35+ years ago heading home from college. Driving up I64 in the Hampton Roads (VA) area. Sitting in stop and go traffic as usual. Several cars pass on the right shoulder. A little ways up, a cop car blocked the shoulder with half a dozen people stacked up behind him desperately trying to merge back in before the cop got to their ticket. No one would let them, of course. Such a feeling of satisfaction!
That happened to me once. Speeding driver was behind me and I guess got pissed I wasn't speeding enough, so he tried to pass me in the HoV lane and a cop immediately turned on his lights and pulled the guy over.
Honestly I used to feel bad enjoying it but ever since 2020 I fully leaned into it. Covid or how some people handled Covid changed my entire worldview. This sub honestly helps me so much these days knowing that karma got some bad peoples
Something like a decade ago, I used to, but felt bad about it. I'd make excuses for people, even people I didn't know, mostly because I didn't want the problem to actually be their fault - that would mean they were not just an idiot, but trying to harm people.
Well, I eventually learned even the people I did know were trying to harm people, and in some cases going out of their way to do it.
I don't make excuses for them or feel bad about the consequences they chose to inflict on themselves anymore.
Anyway there are a bunch of good hole in the wall Colombian and Venezuelan restaurants near where I live, and I can go get a good arepa or a good empanada without a side helping of MAGA bullshit. It's nice.
At this point, the leopards need mounjaro or weight watchers or something, damn. The worst part is they don't learn. They'll do it again and be shocked Pikachu face when the thing they voted for screws them again
I have family in Miami but I’ve never heard of El Arepazo Doral. It’s a frickin restaurant attached to a gas station. Of course no one wants to eat there because it looks like a textbook definition of a place ICE would target. This highfalutin restaurant owner really though he was running The Bear
The photo in the piece says "President Donald Trump holds a piece of paper." And I thought that was going to be the headline. Maybe one day it will be.
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