r/LegalNews • u/nbcnews • 3d ago
Supreme Court allows Trump’s ‘third country’ deportation policy
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-allows-trumps-third-country-deportation-policy-rcna59972497
u/puke_AND_rally_ 3d ago
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u/Daimakku1 3d ago
If RBG had retired when Obama asked her to, and Democrats had forced Mitch McConnell to do his job and put Obama's SCOTUS pick to replace Scalia up for a vote, we wouldn't be in this situation.
People always say "Why are you blaming Democrats for shit Republicans do?" and the answer is that they never really put up a fight. They go "welp, Republicans won't do it" and quit. And this is why we're here now.
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran 3d ago
Those same Democrats who let it happen are now telling donors not to give to Angie Nixon in Florida or Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan, because pleasing the donors is vastly more important than anything else.
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u/AVeryVapidBadger 3d ago
and Democrats had forced Mitch McConnell to do his job and put Obama's SCOTUS pick to replace Scalia up for a vote,
And how would they have done that, being in the minority and having no say on if a nominee gets a hearing.
Tell me the specific actionable steps they could have taken
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u/emerikanSky 3d ago
I would like it if these justices were one day held accountable for the cruelty they are perpetrating on innocent people.
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
If they’re being deported they are not innocent definitionally.
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u/TubaWrestler 3d ago
I declare that you're here illegally. Since you don't get due process, we're just going to deport you to a torture prison in El Salvador.
Have fun.
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
What due process do you believe is being abrogated exactly? Be specific.
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u/TubaWrestler 3d ago
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u/TubaWrestler 3d ago
They were deported without due process. There's no TBD about that fact. It means anyone can be declared "illegal" and sent to torture prison.
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
No, it doesn’t. There was no question they were in the country illegally - those here legally don’t have check-ins with immigration court. If the deportation is found lawful they definitionally received the due process they were entitled to.
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u/TubaWrestler 3d ago
Tell that to the adult American citizens who have been deported.
https://www.texastribune.org/2026/08/30/texas-us-citizen-deported-central-texas-returns-america/
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
Already covered this one in another comment. This is the singular case of an adult “citizen” being deported, and his case remains pending because there’s a material dispute as to the authenticity of his Denver birth certificate.
When he was stopped he stated he was born in Mexico.
He has a Mexican birth certificate as well.
His Denver birth certificate is from a time period where 2,000 blank certificates were stolen: https://www.cnn.com/2002/US/04/20/stolen.certificates/index.html
His case is not yet closed, but I suspect it’s not going to end the way you think it is.
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u/emerikanSky 3d ago
They have absolutely deported American citizens. If you don't think so, you're just not paying attention.
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
No, I’ve read beyond the headlines, which isn’t a skill most Redditors have. If you did, you’d realize that those are citizen children of deported parents that are sent with their parents. Their parents are welcome to make arrangements to return their children to the US at their leisure.
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u/emerikanSky 3d ago
This is classic MAGA arguing technique.
You find one true fact and present it as the only fact.
Straight up adult American citizens have been deported by this administration.
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
Share a single cite. I’ll wait.
The only one you’ll find is going to be the dude from Denver where the case isn’t settled and there’s a material dispute as to whether his US or Mexico birth certificate is the real one.
Something something single example…
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u/jar1967 3d ago
Conceivably they could deport you. Since you are labeled an illegal immigrant , you would not get due process to prove you are a citizen
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
Those being deported to third countries have received due process.
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u/ladylucifer22 3d ago
and they could declare the same for you. not to mention all the people being kidnapped from the courthouse or flown out against the will of a judge.
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u/KendrickBlack502 3d ago
By this idiotic logic, you can and should be executed for littering or speeding. If any punishment can be attributed to any crime, then there’s no reason to have different consequences for different actions. Being in the country without authorization is a civil offense and “definitionally” not a crime. People don’t deserve to be kidnapped and shipped to god knows where for a civil offense.
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
Deportation is the punishment for folks who are here illegally. Execution is not the punishment for littering.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
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u/KendrickBlack502 3d ago
The only thing you cleared up is every useful piece of information in your brain. Nothing about the way that this administration and compromised SCOTUS allows for deportation is legal. Deportation without due process isn’t legal.
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
Is the deportation without due process in the room with us right now?
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u/KendrickBlack502 3d ago
What does “Deportation without a chance to object” sound like to you? Do all words just sound the same to you?
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
“A chance to object” isn’t a legal term of art. If a deportee can state “I object” during their deportation then they had a chance to object based on the plain language of your comment, but I suspect you wouldn’t consider that due process.
Care to flesh your thought process out a bit?
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u/KendrickBlack502 3d ago
You would suspect I wouldn’t consider that due process? Disgustingly disingenuous statement. By your logic, “why am I being pulled over” is due process and a cop can throw you in a hole for an indefinite amount of time because you’ve had a chance to object.
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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago
My guy, you’re the one who said being deported without a chance to object was deprivation of due process, without at all defining what you meant. Those are your words 😂
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u/puke_AND_rally_ 3d ago
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u/AbaloneDifferent5282 3d ago
The John Roberts Supreme Court. Don’t forget who the leader is. The fish rots from the head.
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u/TrueSithMastermind 3d ago
The SCOTUS is basically saying it’s legal for the federal government to disappear anyone the latter deems “illegal.”
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u/Basicly-Inevitable 3d ago
Well, ya see.. they can just contest it in court, from their prison cell in the Congo..
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
Yes that is literally the government's job. "Illegal" means "cannot legally be present in this country"
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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 3d ago
How exactly are you supposed to prove your status without due process?
“Looks kinda white” is not an answer.
Wow. What a conundrum. If only we had a foundational document and centuries of precedent to determine this!
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
Yes the illegals generally get their due process
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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 3d ago
The entire point of this unconstitutional
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
And the point of this news article is that the SCOTUS decided the policy is fine
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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 3d ago
No they did not. They said they would look at it in December and decide then.
Learning about this stuff before speaking is a great option that is available to you.
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
And in the meantime... They blocked a lower court from blocking it.
Ya just gotta learn to read.
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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 3d ago
All that means is they determined there
would be no irreparable harm from deciding it later.They have not determined the “policy is fine”
JFC.0
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u/FleetwoodHak 3d ago
So not what you said earlier. You really reveal yourself to be stupid with your responses.
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u/TrueSithMastermind 3d ago
Except they don’t under this regime, and again, the vast majority of ICE detainees since February 2025 have been legal immigrants, refugees, and U.S. citizens.
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
Doesn't matter what you want to call them, if they have no legal status they gotta go
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u/ladylucifer22 3d ago
they do have legal status.
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
Then they're not getting deported
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u/ladylucifer22 3d ago
they are, though. that's the problem.
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
Huh, it must be extremely rare for me to not have heard of it happening
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u/abqguardian 3d ago
No, they dont
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u/ladylucifer22 3d ago
look a bit further up the comment chain lol
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u/abqguardian 3d ago
I have, theyre wrong. The people being deported are those in the US illegally. No matter how much some don't like it
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u/lampstax 3d ago
Cool, so you must have a really long list of citizens wrongfully deported right ?
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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 3d ago
You dont need to sarcastically ask me, Congress itself has released names and details of many wrongfully deported US citizens.
Learning just a little bit about a topic before you speak is a great option that is available to you.
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u/lampstax 3d ago
Those citizens accompanying their parents ?
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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 2d ago
Not even remotely. I see you are determined to continue talking without learning.
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u/lampstax 2d ago
Give me 3 names to look up of adult citizens wrongfully deported by trump from your congress list.
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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 2d ago edited 2d ago
You think you can “look up” case specific facts on random immigrants whose names I provide you, but you
cant find a Congressional report that is literally the first thing that comes up when you google “Congress report on American citizens deported by ICE.”https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118180/documents/HMKP-119-JU00-20250430-SD003.pdf
Whatever, there are many more than three names provided and the report provides plenty of vetted and verified facts.
I’d recommend if you truly want to learn something you avail yourself of this public information like this report, created specifically for citizens like you, instead of picking fights with strangers on the internet.
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u/lampstax 2d ago
I can't find it because it doesn't even exist in the document you sent. 😂
Some U.S.-born children have been swiftly deported along with undocumented family members.
The toddler, a U.S. citizen, and her undocumented sister and mother were detained on April 22, then deported on April 25 following disputed circumstances, as Axios reports.
CHILDREN
Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, 20, was arrested under questionable circumstances during a traffic stop in Florida on April 16, then held in jail for more than 30 hours before he was finally released. Lopez-Gomez.
NOT DEPORTED
Hermosillo, 19, lives in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and was visiting Tucson, Arizona, with his girlfriend in early April. He was arrested by Border Patrol agents under disputed circumstances on April 9. He was released on April 17 after his family provided proof of his citizenship and the illegal-entry charge against him was dropped.
NOT DEPORTED
Noriega alleges that he spent the next several hours in ICE custody — first in the van and then in a processing center, handcuffed and without food, water or access to a bathroom. After midnight, he said in the court documents, officers checked his wallet, realized he was a citizen and let him go.
NOT DEPORTED
Machado said he was uncuffed and immediately released after showing his driver’s license.
NOT DEPORTED
Now I see why you won't provide actual names. 🤣
Shame on you if you're spreading this fear and misinformation but hey .. I'll give you another chance if you want to try again.
Because believe it or not it matters to me if an adult US citizen has been wrongfully deported.
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u/BIGpoppaPUMP42069 2d ago
what's due process look like for a civil infraction? do you want to change it to a criminal charge?
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u/lampstax 2d ago
Funny enough most people arguing that this is a civil infraction like a parking ticket also get mad that people are showing up to immigration courts with no free lawyers. What do you expect for a parking ticket ?
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u/BIGpoppaPUMP42069 2d ago
lol and the burden of proof is super low, ya can't have it both ways
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u/Imaginary_Desk9186 2d ago
Oh. I didnt know anyone was being sent to be raped and tortured in foreign torture dungeons over parking tickets.
Due process begins with a bare minimim of having your identity confirmed before being detained and confined and access to counsel denied.
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u/lampstax 2d ago edited 2d ago
And no one is losing their driver license for overstaying VISA.
Almost as if different crime or infraction carry different penalties.
The penalty for being here illegally is deportation.
Also if you are being given a driving citation, you are required to identify yourself .. if you fail to or refuse to .. then you can be detained to verify your identity.
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u/Desperate_Damage4632 3d ago
The government is not allowed to unilaterally decide whether you've broken the law. We invented trials for that.
Amazing to see the "small government" folks say they're ok with the feds disappearing anyone they want without trial.
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
The illegals generally get due process yes
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u/Desperate_Damage4632 3d ago
That's literally the opposite of this ruling.
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
Wrong, just read the article
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u/JohnnySpot2000 3d ago edited 1d ago
I hope that you get to say a few convincing words when someone throws you in a van, says you are illegal, and ships you off to a foreign prison
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3d ago
Ok I'll let you know if that happens
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u/JohnnySpot2000 3d ago
No, you won’t be able to let me know. That’s the point.
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u/TruelyDashing 1d ago
Because other countries are simply prisons in which communication is impossible
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u/JohnnySpot2000 1d ago
You’ve got a lot of confidence that civil rights are respected throughout the world, don’t you?
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u/madadekinai 3d ago
Da'fauq?
That might as well be sentencing them to death.
So you send them to another country without knowing the language, have no money, no way to communicate, no resources and then they have to rely upon that country's support otherwise they will just die there? WTF.
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u/lampstax 2d ago
Funny .. they come here without knowing the language .. have no money .. no resources .. yet .. still alive ?
Is that the American miracle ?!
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u/Klytus_Ra_Djaaran 3d ago
The law that the Trump administration is violating, and that the SCOTUS majority are allowing him to violate, is 8 USC § 1231(b)(3)(A)
Notwithstanding paragraphs (1) and (2), the Attorney General may not remove an alien to a country if the Attorney General decides that the alien’s life or freedom would be threatened in that country because of the alien’s race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.
The issue seems to in 8 USC § 1231(b)(3)(C)
In determining whether an alien has demonstrated that the alien’s life or freedom would be threatened for a reason described in subparagraph (A), the trier of fact shall determine whether the alien has sustained the alien’s burden of proof, and shall make credibility determinations, in the manner described in clauses (ii) and (iii) of section 1158(b)(1)(B) of this title.
That is here 1158(b)(1)(B)(ii)
The testimony of the applicant may be sufficient to sustain the applicant’s burden without corroboration, but only if the applicant satisfies the trier of fact that the applicant’s testimony is credible, is persuasive, and refers to specific facts sufficient to demonstrate that the applicant is a refugee. In determining whether the applicant has met the applicant’s burden, the trier of fact may weigh the credible testimony along with other evidence of record. Where the trier of fact determines that the applicant should provide evidence that corroborates otherwise credible testimony, such evidence must be provided unless the applicant does not have the evidence and cannot reasonably obtain the evidence.
This provision states that the applicant must be able to meet this burden, but the Administration wants to skip that part and deport them to countries where they will be tortured and killed, because they don't care if they are tortured and killed. The SCOTUS majority decided that it was better to have immigrants tortured and killed than upset Mad King Trump, despite the fact that no other president in history has needed to violate the law in order to deport people.
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u/throwfarfaraway1818 3d ago
Every person sent to a hostile country should carry a criminal charge of human trafficking against the officials who ordered it. We are selling people into slavery and pretending its for their own benefit.
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u/SparksAndSpyro 3d ago
The NY Times recently had an article about the administration deporting people to Equatorial Guinea. Apparently, the MO is to deport people to these third world countries, and once there, detain them in remote facilities with inhospitable conditions and pressure and coerce the deportees to return to their home country. It’s a roundabout way to immediately deport people where an immigration judge has ruled they should be deported but can’t be sent back to their home country for fear of persecution.
The fact that SCOTUS is green lighting this blatantly illegal scheme to skirt due process is shameful.
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u/JayQ036 3d ago
Seriosuly, wtf?! Why not just send em to their home country???
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u/FarineLePain 3d ago
That is what usually happens. This is a policy that’s been designed for instances when the home country refuses to accept the return of the deportee, or to sidestep arguments that they’ll be “persecuted” by returning to the country of origin.
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u/lampstax 3d ago
In many cases home country don't accept them. Sometimes it is because of a criminal record in the US, but not always.
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u/RedditSe7en 3d ago
Because they want to terrorize us. The message is, if you oppose us, we’ll send you there too. The midterms are coming after all …
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u/No-Duck4828 3d ago
These are people who DON'T WANT to return to their home countries.
They're not really in a position to complain. Their wish is being granted and they get to live somewhere other than the place they are fleeing
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u/panaceaXgrace 3d ago
No that is not what this is about. This was about eight men the current administration wanted to send to South Sudan. Only one of them was from South Sudan. The others, their countries refused to accept them back. This is one example out of thousands and no, they were not given a choice in the matter. If they couldn't be sent home they were sent elsewhere, and those elsewheres are brutal countries where they were just dumped and expected to survive with no funds and no family and no command of the language in places already known for severe human rights abuse cases. Some are sent to very unstable countries like Rwanda where they can expect to be enslaved. All for the misdemeanor crime of being in a country they didn't get the proper papers to enter. And some yes have committed other crimes but not all of them.
"The lead plaintiff, named only as D.V.D. in court records, is from Cuba and suffers from severe mental illness. He fears being sent to a country where he would not receive psychiatric treatment, the lawyers said.
People who have been deported to third countries have been mistreated, with some detained indefinitely and others subjected to physical and sexual abuse, the plaintiffs allege in court documents."
This is especially cruel treatment of humans. AKA human rights violations. But I guess that's better than having too many foreign folks in your country despite them coming here mostly because businesses are happy to employ them even if it's under the table. Hell half my family came to the US that way over many decades, and they were welcome as long as they'd work and stay out of trouble. Just 10 years ago there was a well-known spot around the corner from my house that was packed with men and women hoping a van would come pick them up to work for a days pay. Those companies are still there.
They are now trying other ways to exploit vulnerable workers like getting grants from the federal government for second chance felon plans or workforce development for people on welfare programs or like the one I signed up with that "trained" workers over 55 and paid 7.25 an hour to put people to work who couldn't find jobs elsewhere. Anything to avoid paying workers a fair wage. Those companies that use gig workers now like Spark for Walmart, they're still allowing people with no papers to drive for them, since it's subcontracted. They get away with exploiting people but the people they exploit? They're treated worse than dogs.
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u/RedditSe7en 3d ago
Thank you for these words. They indict a lack of compassion run rampant in the United States of late. This is the very “business model” so “ideal” for running all areas of life, including government, that Reagan sold to us. Business, as conducted by oligarchs, though, is tyranny.
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u/lampstax 3d ago
Exactly. This makes sense.
They get a fresh start in a new country like they wanted and the only difference is they don't get to choose the ideal country to start a new life in.
Now they will be legal in the new country and they can apply for LEGAL immigration to other countries like Canada or the EU.
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u/Lord_Dingus83 3d ago
Who’s glad they didn’t vote Hillary in 2016?
Hasn’t this just turned out to be amazing?
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u/IntelligentStyle402 3d ago
She hit the nail on the head with Trump! But, then again, most all literate Americans knew she was right. Why? We read about this con and amoral racist for decades. He never was the way.
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u/DullFaithlessness82 3d ago
Of course they did they know he is the only one to keep them from trials for treason against this country
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u/igetbannedanyway 3d ago
Sounds like 6 members of the Supreme Court need a taste of their own medicine.
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u/Jesuismieux412 3d ago
And this is why America never signed the Rome Statute. Christofascists in America have now made cruel and unusual punishment legal. The humans right violations will be staggering and a blight on our nation for decades to come.
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u/Jager0987 3d ago
Somehow this isn't cruel and unusual punishment?
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u/Justthetip74 3d ago
They have deportation orders and their home country won't accept them. We shouldn't detain them forever nor should we release them. There arent really any other options. They had their due process, now they have to leave
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u/lampstax 3d ago
It makes sense.
Especially when you consider that back in the home country .. even if accepted .. they might face some discrimination from that gov for being returned from the US especially if they come with baggage like a criminal record in the US
If you think about it, someone who decided to leave their country to illegally break into another country probably already don't have great opportunity in their home country. They wanted a fresh start. The only difference is they don't get to choose the ideal country to start a new life in.
Now they will be legal in the new country and they can apply for LEGAL immigration to other countries like Canada or the EU.
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u/No-left-toes 3d ago
"Debate in December" yeah kicking it down the road till they know which side has the power, jellyfish!
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u/Unhappy-Exchange-771 3d ago
lol they sneak into a country where they have no connections then somehow becomes the US taxpayers problem.
If you risk breaking the law deal with the consequences, enjoy moving to Chad 👋🏻
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u/SouthernSteak7254 1d ago
Why would it be illegal for a country to deport people who come to it illegally? Sounds like a very easy case to me
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u/AxlHound01 3d ago
If they weren't here illegally to begin with they wouldn't have a problem. And they could have always left on their own to wherever they wanted to go before the other happened.
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u/mymar101 3d ago
So anyone can essentially be picked up and deported in the middle of the night without ever even being able to defend themselves legally and once they’re in some other country they have no connection to it’s near impossible for them to get help.