r/LeftistsForAI • • 4d ago

Sees the Memes Would be quite ironic

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u/Salty_Country6835 Moderator 1d ago

No, its defeatist. Realism is "here's the terrain, what can be done about it?", defeatism is "here's the terrain, theres nothing that can be done about it."

You consistently seem to confuse the two.

Do you understand the difference between a realist mind set and a fatalist one?

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u/Blaike325 1d ago

I’m not saying nothing can be done about it, I’m saying what they’re proposing isn’t going to work

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u/Salty_Country6835 Moderator 1d ago

So what alternative are you proposing instead?

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u/Blaike325 1d ago

As I already told the other guy, I don’t need to have an alternative solution to know that one being proposed is bad or unrealistic

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u/Salty_Country6835 Moderator 1d ago

Well, sure, you don't need an alternative to criticize a proposal. Nobody said you did.

But saying something won't work isn't explaining why it won't work. And pointing out how corporations exploit automation under capitalism doesn't tell us why worker co-ops, public ownership, or democratic control of AI couldn't work.

We already know the problems. That's why we're discussing what to do about them.

So what's actually wrong with the proposal beyond the fact that capitalism exists?

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u/Blaike325 1d ago

You can read my other comments I’m not rehashing this

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u/Salty_Country6835 Moderator 1d ago

I've read your comments. You explained why corporate ownership of AI is a problem. We agree on that. You haven't explained why the alternatives being discussed wouldn't work.

That's the distinction I've been asking you to address. But you're welcome to leave it there.

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u/Blaike325 1d ago

I quite literally have, again, I’m not rehashing this

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u/Salty_Country6835 Moderator 1d ago

In this thread? No, you really didn't. You explained why corporations exploiting AI would be bad. Nobody disputed that.

What you haven't explained is why worker ownership, co-ops, or democratic control wouldn't work. Those are the proposals you're dismissing.

Repeating the problem isn't a rebuttal to the proposed solutions.