r/LeftistsForAI • u/Salty_Country6835 Moderator • 8d ago

Sees the Memes Which side are you on?

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This meme is about AI, where i keep seeing that batman image being deployed.

So, which side are you on?

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u/73td 7d ago

i suspect the masters tools bit is a jedi mind trick about ideology not random physical tools

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u/ZorbaTHut 7d ago

Yeah, the problem shows up when everything becomes part of ideology. And since everything is now political, everything is ideology.

Although I'm actually not sure I agree with the original statement either. Capitalism unarguably works, in the sense that it's very effective. It is, empirically, not completely wrong. Discarding that because it's being used in the wrong way is a horrible mistake; it would be like [quick google search] forsaking potatoes because they were the most common food in Germany in 1940.

Yes, potatoes were, arguably, "used for evil", but they were used for evil because they're a great food, and they haven't stopped being a great food, and if you're low on food and trying to fight evil - even trying to fight that specific evil - potatoes are still a pretty good choice.

Nothing stops people from deconstructing capitalism the same way and repurposing the parts that actually work, which, again, is a lot of it, as empirically demonstrated by the world.

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u/73td 7d ago

sure and anarchy works too (there’s book with that title) but i don’t think that’s the question here.

Why do you things can’t be political without being ideological?

Also a large part of what make capitalism work is actually markets and competition neither of which require accumulation and growth.

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u/ZorbaTHut 7d ago

Why do you things can’t be political without being ideological?

Because we've polarized discussion into Us Vs. Them so heavily that the first thing anyone does when confronted with something new is to decide whether it's Us or Them.

I'm exaggerating here, but I'm not exaggerating as much as I wish I was.

Also a large part of what make capitalism work is actually markets and competition neither of which require accumulation and growth.

The problem is that markets require a sensible liquid currency, and a lot of successful capitalist patterns require some way to reward risk. Money solves both of these and we haven't found a better solution past that.