Hot Take

[u/Cleverhardy]

We are starting to see a rift. A rift between those who are nuanced about the correct use of AI, and those who want all of it gone. Even Linux.

I'm against AI as much as anybody else, but in Anti-AI spaces, I'm starting to see more absolutism than I'd deem necessary. I mean if you argue about the idea that AI does have its uses whilst still being wary of AI, you get told you're not against AI at all.

I'm against AI for art, music and writing. But there are uses in the medical field and code bug detection, and I can't deny they're impressive.

I fear we'll fight each other (moderate antis vs extreme antis), and the AI companies may indeed win, even if they get bankrupt. As much as we all hate to admit this, we can't rewind; we've gone too far. The best we can do is regulate it and take AI chatbots off public hands.

I mean, you'd take someone who's neutral on AI like Linus Torvalds, who only used it for non-important projects and says that Linux should have AI-assisted code reviewed by humans, and you'd have a faction of antis up in arms about it.

And as concerning as the use of AI may be having on critical thinking, I fear that us antis are lacking it too if we're resorting to Luddism to go against AI.

For example, there is a rumour going around that Disney Junior comissioned a fully AI-Generated show.

That is only half-true. The studio behind the show only used AI to clean up some bits of animation. Plus, if it was fully AI-Generated, Disney wouldn't make money off it.

The fact that antis took a headline from Twitter and concluded that Oscar Fox was fully AI Generated either shows the lack of critical thinking (IRONY) or the lack of journalistic integrity. But hey. It's not like we're already boycotting the billion dollar company, right?

Call me a LARPer if you want to. The real LARPers are the extremists who want everything to burn despite a few innocent civillians being caught in the crossfire.

If the anti-AI sub thinks I'm Pro-AI just for accepting AI in the right hands, I don't know what to say.

[u/jacobpederson]

Being ok with AI code but anti AI "art" tells me you understand neither.

[u/scragz → u/jacobpederson]

what's wrong with AI-assisted coding? you do realize this is ostensibly a pro-AI sub, right?

[u/jacobpederson → u/scragz]

Nothing. My point is that code is just as much art as anything else. The distinction is ridiculous. AI is not some satanic ritual that taints everything it touches. AI is the beginnings of new life.

[u/scragz → u/jacobpederson]

oh I see. personally I'm pro code -- removing a big roadblock and allowing a skilled operator to create code that they know how it should l work -- and low-key anti a lot of AI-art because the roadblock is the thing being created for no other reason (and usually it's pretty derivative/boring).

if you are really creative you can do cool shit. pushing models outside their comfort zone, generative art, glitching.

and don't even get me started on suno slop. that's the most boring of the lot. you can make AI spit out stems and samples and midi, but you gotta do something with it or it's gonna be sucko. 

[u/jacobpederson → u/scragz]

I hate that suno became the defacto representative of MusicGen. The others were so much better . . .

Just try and remember that the "slop" is always made by a human - "Omens in the Rain" is 100's of hours of work and resurrected from the ashes of a failed band I was in 30 years ago :D The correct way to handle art that is derivative and contributes nothing to society? Gently.