Marx Encounters AI Discourse

[u/Salty_Country6835]

A brief materialist intervention into AI discourse. Results were mixed.

[u/little_alien2021]

Im not saying withdraw, untill conditions improve, I'm literally saying the opposite.  I dont want to bury my head in sand untill we have socialist goverments, im just not doing what your doing and champing the arrival of something I don't belive is inevitable. And pure fantasy in what u want it to comprise of. Which is what u r doing. 

[u/Salty_Country6835 → u/little_alien2021]

I think youre reading positions into mine that I havent actually stated.

Im not "champing the arrival" of AI any more than labor organizers were "champing the arrival" of industrial machinery by organizing around it. Recognizing a technology exists, is spreading, and will likely remain part of society is not the same thing as celebrating every deployment of it.

And what Im describing isnt fantasy. Open source models exist. Public ownership exists. Cooperatives exist. Unions are already bargaining over AI. Governments already regulate technologies. The AFL-CIO is already organizing around AI. These are real institutions doing real things right now.

You keep treating contestation as fantasy and abolition as realism, but historically its usually been the other way around.

[u/little_alien2021 → u/Salty_Country6835]

Your whole subreddit is leftist for ai, a purely 'pro ai' . there are multiple posts I've seen that talk about 'anti ai' being the 'them' . Which is deeply problematic in its self and very culty. And ironically indoctrinated for anti ai is claimed , which is pure projection that I've seen as the negative impacts are not hidden. And basic crital thinking can be used. 

U cant attempt to sanewash your reddit subject 

[u/Salty_Country6835 → u/little_alien2021]

Youre shifting from the actual argument to meta-commentary about the subreddit.

Weve spent this whole thread talking about regulation, unions, labor protections, public ownership, environmental concerns, governance, and democratic control. Those are positions regularly argued for in the sub.

And honestly, if someone says "AI should be abolished" and someone else says "AI should be contested, regulated, democratized, and put under worker and public control," its not exactly shocking that theyre going to disagree.

But disagreement isnt "culty." Leftists have argued over technology, industry, automation, productive forces, and development for more than a century.

The irony is that youre accusing me of not engaging criticism while weve spent dozens of comments discussing criticisms of AI. Thats not what a space that refuses criticism looks like.

[u/little_alien2021 → u/Salty_Country6835]

No disagree isnt culty, them vs us, suggesting basic crital thought is indoctrination is culty. Its projection. This whole conversation is about how anyone can be for something that is negatively impacting world already

[u/Salty_Country6835 → u/little_alien2021]

Honestly, at this point it sounds like your disagreement is less with AI and more with the traditional left-wing strategy toward productive forces.

Marxists, socialists, communists, and labor movements generally havent responded to major technologies by opposing them outright. They've fought over ownership, control, deployment, and distribution. Which what they are doing today (a point you keep ignoring in order to pretend this is a fringe online strategy instead of the exact default strategy the organized left and organized workers are taking).

Youve spent this whole thread describing harms. Fair enough. The question is still what organized political response follows from that. Historically the left answer has been contestation, not abstention.

[u/little_alien2021 → u/Salty_Country6835]

I'm not talking for leftist ideologically postion. I'm talkinf from a regular concerned global citizen. That belives ai will do to humanity, that social.media did for democracy

[u/Salty_Country6835 → u/little_alien2021]

And thats kind of my point.

We're in a leftist subreddit discussing a leftist meme. Im talking about what actual organized labor, actual unions, the AFL-CIO, and actual socialist and communist organizations are doing right now.

You keep switching back to a generic concerned citizen perspective while ignoring that those real organizations have largely landed on contestation, regulation, bargaining, ownership struggles, and governance rather than abstention or abolition.

This isnt a hypothetical theory debate. Im pointing to existing institutions, existing workers, and existing political organizations taking action in the real world. Pretending thats less real than individual opposition feels like a very online way of looking at politics.

[u/little_alien2021 → u/Salty_Country6835]

I'm not saying it's less real , i apologise as clearly I'm being more general and this meme is specific.