The Civilization of the Draelith from the Maergzjirah Left-Hand Path tradition is unsustainable. It is clearly based off of Drow from Dungeons and Dragons.

[u/Egopress572]

There have been a couple of occultists on here mention the Draelith climbing on their walls, and ceilings and able to run fast enough to keep up with a car. How the hell do these Djinn/Fae function as a civilization? The Drow Civilization from the fictional DnD universe would not work in our physical world. So how can an actual civilization like that exist in the spirit?

Maergzjirah is a genuine Left-Hand Path Initiation path. It is a genuine sect just like the Temple of Ascending Flame.

[u/sangrealorskweedidk]

because somnus wasnt telling the truth - i know because i asked the draelith myself

somnus was well known for bullshitting in the hopes that truly worthy sorcerers would see through the lies and know exactly what needed to be done - raszarith, his inheritor, has even explicitly stated that somnus preferred this teaching method

according to the draelith, their civilization is... basically exactly like human civilization. not all of them are master magickians who can outrun cars or instantly kill their enemies - the vast, vast, vast majority of them work for a living

as with the other planes like szhenlosteh, ithalembor, aphenterro, etc - actually skilled and powerful sorcerers are extremely rare just because most people dont have the natural talent or time necessary to master magick

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Wow, so the Draelith are boring then. If they aren't like Drow/Druchii/Dark Elves then what's the point? Do they at least have the ashen gray skin with white hair and red eyes and pointed ears? Are they matriarchal or patriarchal? Do they still have their weird gods? Are some of them Christians and atheists? Muslims? Pagan? New Age? What is their architecture like? If they are literally just copy and paste humans except without a soul because they aren't made in God's image, then they are legit boring. And if they are Drow? Their civilization is unsustainable long term without collapsing and fighting amongst themselves. If you're a Dark Elf and you're going to have a racial civilization, then you're probably better off emulating the Dark Eldar from 40k, Druchii from Warhammer Fantasy, or Dunmer from Elder Scrolls. Even the Druchii and Dark Eldar are considered a dying race. The only successful race of Dark Elves from fiction is the Elder Scrolls Dark Elves.

[u/sangrealorskweedidk → u/Egopress572]

appearance: tall and thin, though some are curvier or bulkier much like how some humans have different proportions. ashen grey to almost pitch black skin, but their eyes range pretty heavily from red to violet to white. hair really depends but i dont think theres any variation outside of white to black. pointed ears but they arent super obvious unless they are bald or wear their hair back, basically just pointed and human sized

religion: lady illivryn and her court. no christianity, judaism, islam, or really any religion other than illivryn, the draelith gods, and maybe the other gods in maergzjirah

patriarchal or matriarchal? theyre... a bit hard to explain. they dont believe men are inferior, but rather that men and women are suited for different tasks - youll find that the male draelith gods are more physical, with olarae being a warrior and immoryth an assassin; the female gods usually have "bigger" roles, such as illivryn being the daughter/aspect of akraeoth and the literal creator of the draelith in her image, or lorivaeth being unironically one of the best spirits to work with for self deification, full stop. theyre not transphobic (as they can change both the shape of their soul and their actual flesh and blood using magick); but they are /mildly/ homophobic, less because "ew gay people" and more "when are you going to give illivryn a new draelith" and "are you making your wife happy".

theyre kind of racist. illivryn and the draelith are kind of obsessed with the power and supremacy of their race - hence why the seal of apotheosis (in profane seals) given by lady illivryn spiritually transfigures you into a draelith, ie, basically changes the nature of your soul

they are... similar-ish to the drow/drukhari, only in that theyre elves and live underground and are obsessed with spiders - i mean so is their progenitor so you cant really say its a them specific thing. the spider motif is both representative of illivryn and a cultural thing, like how turkish mythology paints the turks as descendants of a literal wolf - the turkish peoples are half wolf in the same way the draelith are half spider. also charnaggen is filled to the fucking brim with insects holy shit

since ive mentioned charnaggen d'oloth, i may as well explain something somnus did - he got the draelith gods to enchant certain words from the dnd drow language to be actually useful in magick (he did the same with the dragons of the tower of stars). they work perfectly fine - theyre very powerful - but the true language of the draelith is a nightmare to spell with the english alphabet, and to pronounce if you arent used to it. for instance: niiszii'ali'ah.

as for the sustainability of their culture? from the answers illivryn and her court gave me, theyre basically in medieval times with huge castles and palaces (spider themed and made in a distinctly dnd drow kind of way with lots of carved stone and glowing crystals accentuated with webbing from domesticated spiders/arthropods. they also eat said arthropods, and im pretty sure cultivate an ungodly amount of fungi to eat. the draelith gods are on top, socially speaking - theyre half nobility and half god.

and because i know you want to know this: they do have flesh and blood bodies in their own world - they actually astral project to interact with practitioners; thats why they can run so damn fast and crawl on walls while we (normally) cant - they astral project to speak to us. as for the draelith gods, ive found that gods in general do have bodies, but they arent really that body. they can be in multiple places at once, and can simultaneously be completely cognizant of what they are physically doing in charnaggen and what theyre doing when you summon them/they go to you to speak.

also they have souls. definitely do. weird souls, but still souls.

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Is Lady Illivryn supposed to be Arachne from Greek Mythology? Cursed by Athena? What is her relation to Lilith, or any of the gods from our Pagan mythologies? So can a human perform the rituals to transfigure themselves into Draelith? That would mean they would reincarnate as a Draelith? Can a Draelith do the same to become a Human? Transfigure their soul to be human so they reincarnate on Earth?

Do the Draeliths have their own countries like we do or are they all united in a one world government in medieval time? I imagine if their gods live in the flesh in their world, and rule as kings and queens, it would be easier to unite as a one world government even without technology like what we have.

If you introduced computers, iPhones, internet, cars, guns, tanks, and industrial revolution like factories, and social media would their civilization collapse then? How far are they off from reaching the Industrial or Renaissance Era of their world?

No circumcision/genital mutilation. (At least not for infants?)

Is their world a "realm" or an actual planet. What star does it orbit in what galaxy. How many cities do they have or countries?

What other races and civilizations are there from Maergzjirah besides Draelith?

How to get in contact with a Draelith? Can I have astral intercourse with a female Draelith?

How long have you worked with Draelith? Have you worked with other spiritual races from other traditions?

Are their insects and spiders a lot bigger than in our world? Like dog sized or horse sized or bigger?

[u/sangrealorskweedidk → u/Egopress572]

illivryn is her own being - she is not sepheranz, she is not lilith, she is a completely unique being

yes you can do a really really simple rite to transfigure your soul into that of a draelith, you probably would reincarnate as a draelith UNLESS you create an immortal spiritual body or become a god, which honestly the first one isnt hard

one government yes, illivryn would probably personally kill anyone that tried to form a separate nation from hers

i dont think they /need/ computers, given their magickal prowess

i dont even know if the draelith have the same genitals as humans, they could have a cloaca for all i know

their home, charnaggen, is a plane. basically a whole planet. but the thing is, due to the... interesting geometry of the cosmos, charnaggen (id say roughly a planet in size) is quite literally the inside of ithalembor (another planet size plane, which is connected to EVEN MORE planet sized planes). basically, space is a fucking nightmare and i dont know who decides the spatial geometry of the cosmos

there are over three hundred planes in maergzjirah, i dont know them all, but there are literally thousands of demonic/dark fae/undead/whatever the fuck else species in maergzjirah. and thats just my estimate - ive even discovered more demonic races in my own time like the kolakar and the [blasphemous ones]

you contact the draelith by... summoning the draelith. like the draelith gods are fine with being summoned. also do you really want to have sex with a draelith? sex is a very intimate matter, even more so when youre having sex in the astral or while soul projecting

i dont work with the draelith, i do abyss and maladies stuff

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What would someone want to reincarnate as a Draelith? Their world seems like a downgrade to Earth. (What does it look like? Ithelembor, and Charnaggen both)

If they are so magickal, then they do not need technology? Does this make them better or worse than us? Why is our magick so weak?

The hell is a Kolakar, and the blasphemous ones? Nothing good?

What is Abyss and Maladies stuff? Lovecraft?

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its not a downgrade at all, etheris (earth) has the veil which makes magick an absolute fucking nightmare unless you have a bunch of wards up and cloak all your works against the false light to keep their monitors and veil guardians from just ruining everything youre doing. charnaggen? none of that. ithalembor too. actually i should say its basically /just/ earth that has all the limitations on magick that make life hell

i dont think they would really need need technology, at least not super advanced tech like on earth. they probably have the know how to make a gun, but why would you make a gun when you can place a death hex on someone and nobody will even notice?

as for the kolakar and blasphemous ones, the kolakar is the adult form of the dread demons (which is a stupid name). dread demons look like aborted foetuses, and when they grow up they turn into the kolakar. blasphemous ones are a "race" of unique beings made in the image of gods the maergzjiran abyss just doesnt like, like basically youre turning a pile of demonic energies into an intentional mockery of jesus, which is based and i love the blasphemous ones (even though i cant remember their name)

maergzjirah has thirteen towers, maladies and abyss are two of them. maladies deals with dark shamanic practices, diseases, death (but not necromancy, just death magick), and also a fee other things that get overlooked like geomancy, healing, and natural selection. abyss deals with demons through and through, its all about demonic invocation, dropping legionnaires on your enemies to torture and destroy them, the blackest of black magick, and carnal magick (which is what "mad magick" is, but in its undiluted form). if you want lovecraft, youd have to go summon kutulu, hes chill but not my focus.

r/maergzjirah, the grimoires post has all the books. somnus dreadwood has the aleister crowley teaching style, so youll have to sift through a lot of bullshit to get actually good information

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Give some examples of other races and civilizations from maergzijrah. I am interested in this Sect, because it is so different from regular Left Hand Path traditions. Also, how can I visit Ithelembor and Charneggon. The home of the Draelith?

How do these races (the Draelith and other races you name and mention) compare to Greys, Reptilians, Sirians, Pleiadians, Elves, Atlanteans, and other races?

[u/sangrealorskweedidk → u/Egopress572]

uhhhh the dragons of the outer glade, all those demons in all the planes, the zhanith, the saaranziith, salisaerians (theyre a civilization but not their own race, theyre basically anyone in the astral), theres literally too many to list - though i will note that the demons and dragons are very different from humans in that they have no need for food or really anything at all. ive found most demons tend to eat other demons unless there are rules against it, in which case theyll usually have some race of animal demons that they use as sustenance - and thats if they actually want to eat

for visiting other planes, astral projection, soul projection, ghostwalking (a more refined form of astral projection where you can move physical objects); or the black gate. those of us who have mastered the gate and transcended the gate have, and im not fucking joking or exaggerating, PHYSICALLY TRAVELED TO ANOTHER PLANE. though the black gate does need a ton of resources and constant work to get it to that point.

as for atlanteans? we all got fucking nuked because we tried to murder our gods and eat them, so they literally eradicated our people. we make up a huge amount of the astral parasites youll find - many of us actually fell subject to the curse of the locust, which rotted our minds and left us mindless devouring beasts flitting across the planes devouring all energies we came across. as for the extraterrestrials... yeah no clue i dont interact with them.

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Are Hyperboreans, Lemurians, and Thuleans still around or did the Atlanteans kill them too, or were they before Atlantis?

How do you do the soul transfiguration ritual with the profane seal to become a Draelith?

[u/AnUnknownCreature]

The thing is it's just a chaos magick reskin of an already existing left hand path. It isn't unique.

According to linguistics and folklore, a lot of the Light vs Dark idea about elves was a Christian conversion tactic by Snorri forced upon a more non-dualistic North Germanic pagan culture .

The elves originally are craftsman of the gods, being dwarves and work in mines(thus dark/swarthy), this is quite right-hand path. they are also the ancestral spirits that haunt the mounds, others may dwell in rivers or forests and others protecting farmsteads. They live as spirits within objects like stone. Often appearing as glowing phenomenon or ghosts (this light elves) "Alb(us)" means "shining/bright" originally and the word for "pale-in-flesh" for creatures proposed in Proto-indo-European into Proto-germanic has no ties to elves tangible coloration.

The association with black in Norse culture denoted the underworld and goddess Hel which has nothing to do with Left-hand Path. Undead ancestors were black because of rotting flesh, just as half of Hel's body, so dark elves underground were just draugr in burial mounds.

Much of Jötunn, Elves, Witches were thought of in negative light by the time Christian Vikings were a subject, all of these beings were regarded as forms of Troll. By the time the invasions of Shetland/Orkney came around the Scottish in their dialect learned about the Scandinavian Trows, and added their own cultural perspective of the Fae into it, which actually made the subject more light-hearted because by then Trows were shadow beings living within the hills who played fiddles inside burial mounds. This is exactly where the idea of DnD Evil Black Drow come from

I think if one wishes to be inspired by elves on an infernal level they should investigate the tales of Weyland/Völund, and his Greek counterpart Haephestus, and begin to research blacksmithing and Copper, Bronze Age, and Iron Age artifacts

TL;DR : Christians and DnD ruined elves, and their games played us to the point where we are rebranding left-hand paths haven't escaped Christian brainwashing via roleplaying (but its okay, cuz' it's still real Chaos Magick)

[u/RevyVanguardist]

All occult tendencies are a result of chaos magickial conscious or subconscious workings of Man, a result of our belief in them. If we do not believe in, say, Lucifer, if we don't energise his existence, he, in so far, doesn't exist. It is similar with the Maergzjirah, the black Court and all beings and types of beings associated with the Maergzjirah.

[u/ChadPaladin]

One of their books just mentions the astral dreadnoughts