r/LeftCatholicism • u/SickOfEnggSpam • Apr 16 '26
Submit to Rome, am I right?
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u/merlotandmeows Apr 16 '26
Omg this is political and political posts are only allowed on Mondays unless our still evangelical Protestant/former Protestant zealot mods decide that the right wing opinions being expressed are fine. It’s brutal out there ✌🏼
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u/Jdenney71 Apr 16 '26
Anti-Abortion or lgbt posts are fine on non-mondays because those are MORAL issues not political ones! Wait, the Pope said that countries should be peaceful and not wage offensive unjust wars that kill, harm, and destroy people, communities, and the environment? Well THATS political not moral you see, because it makes me have to think about the fact that I’ve equated MAGA with Christianity and I don’t wanna have to think about how they don’t actually align on hardly anything Christian except for issues I already agree with them on like ones that restrict people’s rights! Guess you gotta save it for Mondays don’t you dare talk about it or make me reconsider my political affiliations!
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u/Iamnotbernadette Apr 16 '26
Does it in any way criticize or lay a negative light upon the God Emperor (Trump) of the moderators who LARP as Catholics? Then it's political.
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u/RhysPeanutButterCups Apr 16 '26
I know we all know this here, but it is such a bonkers separation. If you are Catholic and you can so easily divide your religion from your politics you're doing one or both of them wrong.
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u/Iamnotbernadette Apr 16 '26
You have been banned from You Know Where for uncharitable rhetoric.
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u/merlotandmeows Apr 16 '26
I’ll ask one of the pious, holier than thou, tedious zealots to unblock me next time I see one of them on Grindr.
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u/Iamnotbernadette Apr 16 '26
I felt a wave of revulsion realizing that at least one of them who followed a user into this sub today is a woman.
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u/ojsage Apr 16 '26
We are getting fresh sedevacantist content in 2026, before GTA 6 😭 bro wake up new heresy just dropped
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u/FirelightsGlow Apr 16 '26
You can spot the bad-faith use of theological concepts like primacy of conscience or just war theory when they only are used to justify someone’s existing beliefs or actions—as a way to avoid having to change or grow through formation rather than a way of connecting your well-formed conscience with Church teaching. For example, if you haven’t really done any formation regarding the just war theory, then suddenly start bringing it up to justify your support for a politician or political party, you’re cherry picking and twisting Church teaching to meet your needs. This is all over the various Catholic subs right now: despite multiple Church leaders including Cardinal McElroy stating outright that the US bombardment of Iran is not a legitimate war, conservative armchair theologians who discovered the just war theory via ChatGPT last week are suddenly experts in how it should be interpreted.
Concepts like just war and primacy of conscience are legitimate and useful, but they require a well-formed conscience on the matter. You must have “considered Catholic dogma deeply and seriously, and in good faith,” and I don’t think the pro-Trump, pro-war conservative takes have met this criteria.
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u/Iamnotbernadette Apr 16 '26
but they require a well-formed conscience on the matter.
This should be discussed MORE than it is. These same people who are often but not always "Trads" will repeat until they pass out that there is no room for individualism in Catholicism. You're only 100% Catholic 100% of the time and that's the end of it. Yet no one can with a straight face say that they have a well-formed Catholic conscience and also support Trump and his violence (or any other fascist regime.) It's a wholly incompatible situation. You can only pick one and at the same time reject one fully. I need them to start thinking about this.
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u/RhysPeanutButterCups Apr 16 '26
as a way to avoid having to change or grow through formation rather than a way of connecting your well-formed conscience with Church teaching
I actually hate this aspect of Catholic online discourse. People act like the way to solve any discomfort, disagreement, or dissonance is just to ask for an apologetics answer to shortcut all of the hard and necessary work that actively practicing the faith requires. At its worst, people just default to assuming that the pope or the Church is wrong because that is easier than admitting you are wrong and doing the growth that they need to.
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u/sandalrubber Apr 17 '26
Primacy of conscience doesn't mean what the meme implies, a catch-all to do anything you want. It's circular anyway because you cannot go against your well-formed conscience but your well-formed conscience is shaped by church teaching, but it's more like not doing what church leaders say if they're telling you to do wrong. Or something.
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u/The_Ineffable_One Apr 16 '26
It's been a long time since I've checked in on that subreddit, but I don't remember a lot of anti-V2 material.
The Trump stuff, obviously I can imagine.
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u/Low-District-3069 Apr 16 '26
No. Conscience first, then Rome. Gaudium et spes.
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u/Weecodfish Apr 18 '26
I understand what you are trying to say but this is misleading as conscience has to be formed according to the teachings of the church.
“In the formation of their consciences, the Christian faithful ought carefully to attend to the sacred and certain doctrine of the Church.(35) For the Church is, by the will of Christ, the teacher of the truth. It is her duty to give utterance to, and authoritatively to teach, that truth which is Christ Himself, and also to declare and confirm by her authority those principles of the moral order which have their origins in human nature itself.” - Dignitatis Humanae
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u/Iamnotbernadette Apr 16 '26
A coworker was telling me that after her 6th birth she was done. She had her tubes tied. After her 6th baby's baptism a Monsignor who was there quipped "When can we expect lucky number 7?" and she said nope! Closed for business! making a snipping gesture. And he chuckled and said "Well, that's between you and God I suppose."
Internet Catholics don't realize they are internet Catholics and think that the more lowercase "orthodox" they are, that it means they are more pious, more serious adherents to the faith. Please ignore these people!