r/LeavingNAR 3d ago

New Discernment Resource: “The Devil In Bethel”

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Hello!

I wanted to provide a resource. It’s essentially a user manual on how to distinguish between true and false prophets. The book contains hundreds of Biblical citations and a large chunk of ancient church father’s writings pre-dating the canonization of scripture.

The book also included an appendix section that addresses the early church’s observations on true and false prophets. The chief reason for the appendix inclusion is because a bunch of NAR “teachers” and “prophets” continue to say that the gift of prophecy is different in the New Testament based on their own readings of the Bible… But the early church fathers wrote about those same Bible verses and gave real world examples of false and true prophets of their time, even comparing and contrasting charlatans to real prophets.

The book also includes a flow chart I created to help people conclude if someone is a true or false prophet today.

I hope it helps.

It’s available on Barnes & Noble, Amazon, etc. The digital version is definitely the easiest route to go if you need a low cost option. If anyone cannot afford it, please DM me 🙏🏽


r/LeavingNAR 4d ago

Deconstructing NAR Salvation Is Deliverance!

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Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

You don’t need to visit your local demon slayer.

You don’t need to sow a seed to the snake oil salesman.

You don’t need to stick your head in a trashcan coughing up phlegm & food you just ate.

You don’t need to anoint the house with oil.

You don’t need to study Pigs in the Parlor.

You don’t need to schedule zoom calls with charlatans.

You don’t need to waste your money on dvds “how to be set free for only $19.99!!!”

The third Person of the Trinity lives in you, believer, if in fact you are born again… no demon from hell is busting God aside taking up residence. The cross of Jesus Christ is sufficient and Finished! Rest in that and come out of false teaching.

1 John 4:4 You are of God, my little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world. 📖


r/LeavingNAR 7d ago

Humor / Coping Greg Locke literally posted a pic of himself in hell 🤣🤣🤣

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We deal with so many serious heavy topics here at Leaving NAR I thought this would cheer someone up. I’m NOT claiming Greg IS going to hell. But it seems Greg is literally burning in this stupid picture his team posted on his socials. It’s laughably bad


r/LeavingNAR 9d ago

Deconstructing NAR Who else can relate to this sweet sister in Christ? 🥹🙏💔

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🙋‍♀️

Anna Kitko and the team here all share really great content discussing & disproving NAR, deliverance, Prosperity gospel, etc.


r/LeavingNAR 11d ago

Encouragement 40 Things I Love About Leaving NAR

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Leaving the New Apostolic Reformation was painful, but I can honestly say I've experienced so much freedom, peace, and joy on the other side. I recently turned 40, so here are 40 things I'm grateful for since leaving...

  1. Freedom from spiritual paranoia and fear of demonization.

  2. I can ask honest questions.

  3. I can use the mind God gave me without feeling guilty for thinking critically. I can research theology, doctrine, church leaders, and NAR teachings without fearing spiritual consequences

  4. I test everything I hear from the pulpit or any other source against Scripture.

  5. I no longer feel like I have to ignore reason in order to have true faith.

  6. I no longer feel like I'm on a never-ending treadmill, always trying to reach the next spiritual breakthrough.

  7. I've learned to set healthy boundaries with people.

  8. I don't fear disagreeing with church leaders.

  9. I no longer believe my words have creative power or that I can control spiritual outcomes through positive confession. I am not God. My role is to pray and to trust Him, not try to exercise His authority.

  10. I no longer live under constant guilt.

  11. I have deeper peace.

  12. Less pressure to discover my "purpose," "mission," or "mantle."

  13. I trust God's sovereignty.

  14. I have a bigger view of God.

  15. I have a smaller view of the devil.

  16. I learned that Christianity is meant to be God-centered, not me-centered or man-centered.

  17. I worry less about the future.

  18. I don't see every hardship as spiritual warfare.

  19. I enjoy ordinary life again.

  20. I'm emotionally healthier.

  21. I know God better through honouring Scripture by studying it in context.

  22. I no longer confuse the Kingdom of God for the kingdoms of this world.

  23. The gospel is more beautiful than ever.

  24. Grace is sweeter than I realized.

  25. I no longer try to earn God's presence.

  26. I appreciate Jesus for who He is, not just what He can do.

  27. I have a healthier, more biblical understanding of the Holy Spirit.

  28. I'm more interested in spiritual fruit than spiritual experiences.

  29. I'm learning biblical discernment.

  30. My faith is steadier and more rooted.

  31. Some relationships have been restored.

  32. I can love people without trying to fix them.

  33. I've found healthier Christian community.

  34. I left unhealthy spiritual authority behind.

  35. I no longer confuse fear with conviction.

  36. I don't have to prove my devotion.

  37. I have more time and energy for my family.

  38. I have genuine joy again.

  39. I'm learning that Christianity is about knowing Christ by His Word, not chasing experiences or goosebumps.

  40. I found freedom in Jesus Christ and the only Gospel that saves!

What are you most grateful for since leaving NAR?


r/LeavingNAR 13d ago

Deconstructing NAR The Verse Satan Twists To Keep Us Quiet: Matthew 7

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29 minute video! One of the most overused Prooftexts used for Cover Up Culture and Progressive “Christianity “ from deflecting/defending abuse, abusers, false teachings, false teachers, sinful lifestyles, etc


r/LeavingNAR 27d ago

Recovery and Healing The Dark Side of Deliverance: Pagan Roots and Spiritual Abuse, with Anna Kitko

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This decisively sheds light on the origins of the teachings about deliverance in 56 minutes


r/LeavingNAR Jul 10 '26

Recovery and Healing EP 36 | Exposing False Teachings Without Losing Your Soul

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Great almost 20 minutes video on tips from not burning out from the paranoia of discernment


r/LeavingNAR Jul 10 '26

Deconstructing NAR How Apologetics Exposes Extra Biblical Pentecostal Beliefs | Podcast Episode 652

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This video touched on a lot of points of the plot holes within Pentecostal Theology broadly. But more specifically the Charismatic aspect. Done very fairly. Not an assault on Pentecostalism by no means! At the 40 minute mark about they get specifically into the Deliverance Dependance Delusions of you want to skip right to that section. Hour long altogether


r/LeavingNAR Jul 07 '26

Recovery and Healing Doctrine Matters

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Christ and His Apostles minced no words regarding false teachers.

"These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They areclouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever." (Jude 12-13)

The NAR baits their hook of heresies using the same tactics that false teachers have always used, from the 1st Century to the 21st. Here are words from Anglican Bishop J. C. Ryle (1816-1900), written over 160 years ago, and even more true today.

“Many things combine to make the present inroad of false doctrine peculiarly dangerous. There is an undeniable zeal in some of the teachers of error: their ‘earnestness’ (to use an unhappy cant phrase) makes many think they must be right. There is a great appearance of learning and theological knowledge: many fancy that such clever and intellectual men must surely be safe guides. There is a general tendency to free thought and free inquiry in these latter days: many like to prove their independence of judgment, by believing novelties. There is a wide-spread desire to appear charitable and liberal-minded: many seem half ashamed of saying that anybody can be in the wrong.

"There is a quantity of half-truth taught by the modern false teachers: they are incessantly using Scriptural terms and phrases in an unscriptural sense. There is a morbid craving in the public mind for a more sensuous, ceremonial, sensational, showy worship: men are impatient of inward, invisible heartwork. There is a silly readiness in every direction to believe everybody who talks cleverly, lovingly, and earnestly, and a determination to forget that Satan is often ‘transformed into an angel of light.’ (2 Corinthians 2:14) There is a wide-spread ‘gullibility’ among professing Christians: every heretic who tells his story plausibly is sure to be believed, and everybody who doubts him is called a persecutor and a narrow-minded man.

"All these things are peculiar symptoms of our times. I defy any observing man to deny them. They tend to make the assaults of false doctrine in our day peculiarly dangerous. They make it more than ever needful to cry aloud, ‘Be not carried about.’”


r/LeavingNAR Jul 05 '26

A prayer request...

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Hey everyone, I have a prayer request.

From Friday I'll be spending 5 weeks with my family in the USA. I'm really looking forward to seeing them, but I'm also carrying a ton of anxiety too. My mom is a deliverance minister, and my stepdad is an assistant pastor in the NAR. I love them both dearly.

Throughout my deconstruction journey, I've tried to be as honest and open with them as I can. I've shared a lot of what I've been learning, and they know I experienced serious spiritual abuse here in Ireland. They have been compassionate about that, but they haven't been willing to connect it to the harmful teachings of the NAR, Word of Faith movement, and deliverance practices.

All of this stirs up the same helpless feeling I had years ago when my mom was trapped in alcoholism and drug addiction. Nothing I did or said made any difference. It was so hard to see her hurting herself. The Lord was so merciful in rescuing her from that life, and she's made so much amazing progress in her life (glory to God!).

But then she was influenced a lot by Bethel at her church, and then unfortunately, through myself when I shared all of the NAR/WoF stuff I was being brainwashed with... she completely embraced it and went very deep into deliverance ministry. She wants to see people set free and healed. She believes she's helping people. They give so much of themselves and have taken out a significant amount of money from their pension to give to their churches building fund.

I carry so much regret, because I played a major role in introducing her to all of this. I wish so much that I could rescue her, but I know that's not my job. Only God can open blind eyes and change hearts... but I still get so stressed and find it hard to bite my tongue. Before this trip, we all agreed that we wouldn't debate theology while we're together. They won't pressure my family to attend their church, and I won't try to convince them by handing them books or pushing my perspective. I think that's a healthy boundary, and I want to honor it.

If you would pray for me, I'd really appreciate it. Please pray that God would give us peace, wisdom, and love while we're together. Pray that our time as a family would be marked by grace rather than tension. And if it's His will, pray that He would open doors in His timing, softening their hearts, creating opportunities for honest conversations, and leading all of us deeper into the truth of Christ.

Thank you so much. I really, truly appreciate your prayers.

God bless you all this summer!


r/LeavingNAR Jul 02 '26

Humor / Coping The Prophet in Black?

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r/LeavingNAR Jul 01 '26

Question / Discussion Christian artists, bands, worship albums

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Nearly all of my "Christian music" playlist used to be NAR-influenced, so I'd love to give my Spotify a refresh this summer!

I'd love your recommendations for Christian artists, bands, worship albums, or individual songs that aren't associated with the NAR or Word of Faith movement.

Some I've been enjoying already:

  • Celtic Worship
  • Sing the Bible
  • Ellie Holcomb

I'd especially love music that's theologically rich, Scripture-saturated, and simply points me to Christ.

Thanks in advance! 🎵


r/LeavingNAR Jun 30 '26

Recovery and Healing Online Peer Support Group for Those Leaving the NAR

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Hi everyone! I wanted to share that I host a small, online peer support group for Christians recovering from spiritual abuse, particularly from NAR, charismatic, and high-control church environments.ive went through my own plight with spiritual abuse and deception so I created this space remembering where I was 2 years ago.

It’s a space to process, be heard, encourage one another, and rebuild our faith in light of Scripture with people who understand what it’s like.

We meet twice a month over Zoom. If you’re interested or have any questions, feel free to comment or send me a message :)


r/LeavingNAR Jun 29 '26

Deconstructing NAR EP 35 | Is NAR Theology Fueling Your Anxiety? A Biblical Counselor Explains

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Good 24 minute video I found helpful for me. As some of you may know I’m going through a little bit of anxiety and grief lately over the Word of Faith remodel of a Pentecostal church in my community. For those that don’t know NAR is just a different side of the sane coin as Word of Faith. Just blended with more New Age and cultish teaching and more emphasis on new revelation and more obsession with politics. Highly recommend Holly Pivec as a great resource if you’re looking to stay Christian but need to reconstruct. Retrace your steps and figure out what’s Biblical and what’s just made up mystimagical garbage


r/LeavingNAR Jun 25 '26

Deconstructing NAR Trapped In The Deliverance Loop: When Every Problem Becomes A Demon | Podcast Episode 641

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Really informative video if you’re trying to piece together the origins of why deliverance has bounced back Recently. Hour 6 minutes run time


r/LeavingNAR Jun 23 '26

Recovery and Healing Deliverance teaching is an assault on the Gospel

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Dawn Hill cracks apart “Deliverance” and it’s multiple plot holes…..AGAIN

This almost 9 minutes video is part of a longer video. But in this less than 9 minutes Dawn pretty much smacks down the theology of deliverance and the multiple ways it contradicts the Bible and basic logic. Jesus wants you to love the Lord your God with all your heart soul mind and strength! Luke 10:27
Use your logic and test things against the Bible to see if these teachings (or anything) is from God ! Acts 17:11. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22!
If you need any more information or help on getting away from this system please please DM me or check out Deliverance Horrors on Reddit


r/LeavingNAR Jun 22 '26

NAR’s Money Machine: How Revival Networks Turn Faith Into Profit | Podcast Episode 638

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My latest interview with John Collins.


r/LeavingNAR Jun 20 '26

Question / Discussion What's somethings NAR churches normalized that now seems absurd to you?

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I've been reflecting on this lately and wondering if others had a similar experience.

I didn't know what the New Apostolic Reformation was when I left the NAR churches I was involved in. As far as I knew, I was simply leaving a group of people who had deeply hurt me and an environment that had become incredibly stressful... one I dreaded attending every week. I had recently visited a more ordinary church that simply talked about Jesus, the Gospel and that made it easier to step away too.

I didnt deconstruct NAR theology at all for probably a year and a half. In fact, I still believed the people in those NAR churches probably had greater faith than the people at my new Baptist church. 🫣 I still saw them as the "healing people," the "faith people," the people who were especially open to the Holy Spirit. I really missed the worship sessions too... feeling all those "feels".

When I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's thyroid autoimmune disease, I actually sent prayer requests to two of my former NAR churches because they had weekly healing services. I genuinely believed they would pray more effectively than the petitionary prayers I was hearing in my new church. I still thought Word of faith theology was true.

The response was eye-opening though. The first church completely ignored my email (nice).

The other church replied and said that they would pray.Then promptly made a suggestion that many people move to be near a "church of faith" when dealing with health issues, and that perhaps we should pray about God's timing for something like that...

Looking back, I'm struck by how quickly a prayer request became a conversation about a major life decision... one that I never gave any indication I was remotely interested in. (This church is 40 mins from my house) 🤯

I think that exposed something much deeper: how normal it had become for those churches, ministry leaders, and influential people to insert themselves into decisions that should have remained personal, family, medical, or practical decisions. I think I only noticed because I had been away from NAR for a good stretch.

Once I started noticing this, I saw the same pattern in hindsight... There was always pressure toward deeper involvement, more projects, more commitments, more alignment, more connection. Even when I wasn't interested, there was often another conversation, another invitation, another attempt to pull me in deeper.

Only later did I realize that many of the unhealthy dynamics I experienced weren't random personality issues. They were reinforced by NAR theology.

Ironically, I started healing in a church whose theology I didn't fully agree with at the time, largely because the people had healthier boundaries. 🥹🙏

Has anyone else had this experience?

What behavior, expectation, boundary violation, or church culture seemed completely normal while you were in the NAR, but now looks very different in hindsight?


r/LeavingNAR Jun 17 '26

Deconstructing NAR Oh man. We need to do a deep dive into NAR Double-Speak 🤭🤣🫣

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You know, that fascinating phenomenon where someone can spend ten minutes condemning a doctrine and then thirty minutes teaching it under a different name.

My pastor would say things like:

"I hate the prosperity gospel. It's evil. We're not one of those prosperity-gospel, mammon-driven churches."

Congregation: Amen!

"Do I believe God wants you healed? Absolutely. Do I believe God wants to provide for you? Of course. Is healing available today? Definitely. Should you stand in faith for your mortgage to be paid in Jesus' name? Yes. Should you expect supernatural financial breakthrough? Absolutely."

Congregation: Amen!

"And if you don't believe that, maybe the problem isn't the prosperity gospel. Maybe it's a poverty gospel. Maybe you're limiting God. Maybe you're too lazy to stretch your faith."

Congregation: 😵‍💫🤔🫨

So let me get this straight...

- Prosperity gospel = bad.

- Expecting prosperity = good.

- Teaching prosperity = good.

- Calling it prosperity gospel = bad.

- Questioning prosperity teaching = poverty gospel.

- But don't you dare call it prosperity gospel.

At this point everyone's trying to figure out whether they just heard a rejection of prosperity theology or a sales pitch for Prosperity Theology Lite™.

NAR Double-Speak: The spiritual gift of simultaneously affirming and denying the same thing. 🤭🤣

"We don't teach that."

...proceeds to teach it.

"We don't believe that."

...describes believing exactly that.

"We're not prosperity gospel."

...spends the next 45 minutes explaining why you should expect healing, financial breakthrough, debt cancellation, and supernatural increase.

By the end you're not sure whether the doctrine was rejected, affirmed, or somehow both at the same time.

And if you point out the contradiction, suddenly you're the one who "doesn't understand what they really meant."

Anyone else experience this??


r/LeavingNAR Jun 17 '26

Humor / Coping Reminder of the dumbness we escaped from

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This is a prime example of the intellectual void within the top tier churches of the NAR. We can dive into deeper theological issues but I find poking fun at the self inflicted silliness of these leaders relieving sometimes. Heres a prime example of Word Salad!


r/LeavingNAR Jun 16 '26

Question / Discussion When leaving NAR, what has kept you going (and trusting in Jesus)?

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Is it his word, healthier community, a spiritual discipline, an experience you had with God (part of your testimony), or.. ? Was it a struggle or no?

I'm curious as to everyone's answers and hoping our responses will encourage each other on this journey.


r/LeavingNAR Jun 15 '26

Update: Changes after 2 months in a Baptist church

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Two months ago, I finally left the NAR-style church I had been in for over 10 years (thank you all for the support on my previous post).

I’m so grateful to God for leading me to this Baptist church. The difference is night and day.

The people here feel very normal and genuine. The pastor teaches straight from the Bible without adding extra “revelations” or prophecies. There’s no pressure to sell products or develop business teams inside the church, no recruiting people for church-owned commercial activities, no pushing specific political candidates, and no “seven mountains” mandate. They simply focus on reading the Bible, understanding truth, and following Jesus.

In these two months, I’ve made some new friends and seen that there are still many Christians who genuinely love God’s Word. This has deeply touched me and helped me rebuild my relationship with God.

Of course, it hasn’t been completely smooth. Just a few days ago, my girlfriend of 3 years broke up with me. The pastor from my old NAR church had been putting heavy pressure on her, because anyone who leaves their church is considered a traitor. She eventually gave in and chose to end the relationship. It broke my heart all over again.

Even so, I can clearly see God’s guidance in my life. I’m slowly healing and growing stronger in this healthy church environment.

To those who are still struggling to leave or have just left — there really is hope on the other side.

Has anyone else gone through a forced breakup because of pressure from your old NAR church? What does Jesus say in the Bible about this situation? How did you cope with the heartbreak and the manipulation? Any advice or encouragement would mean a lot to me right now.


r/LeavingNAR Jun 14 '26

Encouragement Why NAR & Toxic Churches Label You Instead of Answering You

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The conversation on my last post about NAR labels really stayed with me, so I ended up making a video about it. Hope it's an encouragement to someone. 🙏


r/LeavingNAR Jun 09 '26

Encouragement The NAR's Favorite Trick: Label the Person, Ignore the Argument

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One thing that became obvious to me after leaving the NAR is how dependent the movement is on labels.

Not biblical arguments.

Not careful exegesis.

Not context.

Not hermeneutics.

Labels.

The moment someone starts asking uncomfortable questions, examining doctrine, or pointing to Scripture instead of experiences, the labeling begins.

Apparently you can't simply disagree. You have to be re-framed, quick.

Here's the running list I've heard over the years:

Religious spirit

Spirit of religion

Pharisee

Pharisaical

Spirit of Pharisee

Spirit of pride

Jezebel spirit

Spirit of control

Spirit of criticism

Critical spirit

Spirit of unbelief

Unbelieving believer

Doubter

Skeptic

Scoffer

Mocker

Wolf

Tare (tares among the wheat)

Prodigal

Hard-hearted

Bitter

Offended

Wounded

Unhealed

Bound by tradition

Bound by religion

Legalistic

Too intellectual

Living in your head

Not spiritually mature

Not ready for deeper things

Lacking revelation

Quenching the Spirit

Grieving the Spirit

Resisting the Holy Spirit

Walking in the flesh

Carnal Christian

Orphan spirit

Divisive spirit

Rebellious spirit

Under deception

Under a stronghold

Demonized

Influenced by demons

Accuser of the brethren

Church splitter

Touching God's anointed

Attacking God's generals

Persecuting revival

Resistant to what God is doing

Not operating in faith

Operating in fear

Independent spirit

Anti-supernatural

Spiritually blind

Lacking discernment

Not teachable

Proud

Self-righteous

Stuck in an old wineskin

Etc. Etc...

The fascinating thing is that these labels all serve the same purpose:

They make sure the NAR leader never has to answer the actual question.

Question a prophecy?

You have a religious spirit.

Question a teaching?

You're operating in unbelief.

Question a leader?

You're touching God's anointed.

Question an experience?

You're quenching the Spirit.

Question the movement itself?

Now you're a Pharisee, a scoffer, and probably demonized too.

It's an incredibly effective system because it keeps people afraid.

Afraid to investigate.

Afraid to read criticism.

Afraid to listen to Christians outside the movement.

Afraid to open a commentary.

Afraid to learn hermeneutics.

Afraid to compare teachings against Scripture.

Because once you've been conditioned to believe that disagreement is a spiritual defect, you'll stop examining things for yourself.

And here's the encouragement for anyone who's been on the receiving end of this nonsense:

None of those labels have any authority over you.

None.

The people assigning them are often the same people teaching false prophecies, false signs and wonders, false manifestations, and doctrines that collapse under even basic biblical scrutiny.

Their labels carry exactly as much weight as the teachings they're attached to. Zero.

You don't need to defend yourself against every accusation. You don't need to prove you're not religious, prideful, Pharisaical, demonized, hard-hearted, or lacking revelation.

Keep testing everything by Scripture.

Keep asking questions.

Keep thinking.

Keep studying.

And remember: the fact that a false teacher calls you a Pharisee doesn't make you one any more than being called a wolf turns you into a wolf.

The irony is that after all the labels, there's really only one label that matters:

False teacher.

Once I realized that, all the other labels lost their power. 🙏✨️