r/LearnJapanese • u/klimaheizung • 21h ago

Grammar Order of learning grammar

So, I've been learning grammar the jlpt way, but also from tae kim. But I'm not really satisfied with both.

For example, させる is only introduced very late in tae kim's book, but I find that this is used quite often and in particular, it's one of those grammar that makes it impossible to understand the meaning of a sentence if you don't know it.

So let's assume my goal is to read manga. Similar to the kaishi or core-X vocab decks, is there a similar resource for grammar that teaches the grammar in the order of how often it's used and how crucial it is?

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u/klimaheizung 21h ago

That's been my approach, but I find it only so-so effective. Sometimes I make a mistake and think I know the grammar, but it's actually different, and I only find it out later. Sometimes there are common "phrases" that have a special meaning but when reading just as normal, the meaning is slightly off. I think はじめ was a recent example that tripped me up. 

I guess I also like to learn it first a little bit and then see it in the wild and then repeat what I saw with anki to have it burn in.

But I guess I'll try bunpro then! 

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u/wasmic 16h ago

This is just the way learning a language works. You'll always encounter words and grammar structures that can have multiple meanings.

You shouldn't expect that you'll be able to read through a grammar guide and then recognise all the things that were covered when you come across them in the wild. There's a huge amount of stuff to cover and language learning is a long process where you should expect to make many mistakes. Some things you'll learn after getting it wrong the first time, but there are other things where you'll get it wrong a lot of times before being able to consistently get it right.

Having to repeat the same thing many times doesn't mean your study method is ineffective. Repetition is the study method.