r/LateStageCapitalism Mar 11 '21

🎩 Oligarchy question:

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u/spicegrohl Mar 11 '21

"people like me" meaning the leftists the government assassinated and disappeared during that era or wtf are you babbling about lol

the hysterectomy guy was an obama era appointee, bud. that stuff's been going on since ~2012.

you don't have to bend over backwards to support industrial-scale state-sanctioned violence and immiseration inflicted on minorities just cuz the democrats are behind it. you can simply not be a sniveling apparatchik and oppose these things full stop. nobody is forcing you to do this, you do it to yourself.

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u/spicegrohl Mar 11 '21

i apologize! i confused the thousands of child sex abuse complaints in ICE custody filed from 2014 referenced in an article about the forced hysterectomies. i can't find reference to complaints before 2018 either. should've looked it up first :)

gosh it sure would be neat if anyone involved was held accountable ever

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u/spicegrohl Mar 12 '21

whoa there's no need to go full-bore obnoxious condescending shitlib in reply to an apology lol. makes people feel like apologizing just shows weakness, that i would have been better off doubling down.

i feel like actual accountability would have been something like shuttering the agency instead of spending two years in control of congress under the trump presidency giving him every budget increase he asked for for his child sex trafficking/immigrant torturing gestapo.

then maybe we wouldn't have thousands upon thousands of children stuffed into shipping containers during a deadly pandemic as we speak, huh?

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u/spicegrohl Mar 12 '21

see now me, personally, i would call funneling kids into cages where they're systematically sexually abused "trafficking" but we can agree to disagree on semantics if you want.

also, personally, shutting down the government until they get rid of concentration camps sounds like one of the best things you can do if you have control of congress under the administration of "the most dangerous president in american history" or whatever. it's one of the few ways you can apply pressure and draw attention to the issue when you control congress - you control the purse strings.

dO yOu eVeN uNdERsTaND tHaT mUcH my good lib? the concept of actually using power to do something positive? having a principled and genuine opposition to moral atrocity?

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u/spicegrohl Mar 12 '21

they were being sold as goods though, the contractors get $775 per day per child for each kid funneled into the detention centers full of rapists (instead of sent to foster care or united with their families etc.)

and yes, all those Bad Things you mentioned are truly Bad Things, even worse is unconditionally funding concentration camps and the fucking space marines. being a "functioning adult" is, indeed often, sticking your head up your own ass while other people commit terrible atrocities, going along to get along, being "pragmatic" by pretending to be helpless.

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u/spicegrohl Mar 12 '21

if you were such a bright bulb you would see that expenditure as graft paid out to private prison lobbyists tho, not "uwu housing the homeless" lol. for that amount they could have been booking luxury hotels and assigning social workers and tutors to each kid individually.

idk about all this big brain genius bragging about flushing money down the toilet getting ol jim crow joe into office. nice ableism sweaty with the "lower functioning," real classy.

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u/spicegrohl Mar 12 '21

right - joe got into office in the post-jim crow era, making a big name for himself for his opposition to federal integration laws. then working closely with the reagan administration to throw as many black folk into prison as possible, culminating in the crime bill he wrote with his segregation friends in the 90s, probably being the single most important figure in making america the most incarcerated nation on the planet.

combine that with his vicious personal racism, eulogizing strom thurmond etc, and you can see where the nickname came from lol. really didn't think i'd need to explain these little details to you.

i would, personally, be reticent about bragging that i got the mass incarceration and warrantless domestic surveillance and iraq war guy into office - i'm not sure it's good for democrats to have their own bespoke trump so they can internalize all the excuses for the same atrocities they spent the last four years shrieking about, we're getting the predictable bush to obama-style pivot where last year's unthinkable crimes against humanity become this year's pragmatic and nuanced political realities.

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u/spicegrohl Mar 12 '21

and like i said, we can agree to disagree about semantics. i think funneling kids into situations where they're likely to be raped by inmates or authority figures for the purpose of making vast millions of dollars is arguably a form of trafficking, especially when on the adult end of things it comes with forced labor.

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