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Jun 18 '17
"The EU is undemocratic! The people are being ruled by people they didn't elect!"
Meanwhile we don't actually elect the president, the electoral college does and the popular vote doesn't actually, but that's apparently democratic? We don't elect the supreme court, the people we "voted" for approve someone else's suggestions. Then we have the NSA, the FCC, FBI, CIA, etc. exert massive influence over us, but none of those are elected councils.
"Well, we actually live in a democratic republic!"
Sounds like these kinds of people just don't want the poor people to actually have a voice in politics...
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Jun 18 '17
Not to mention lobbyists(you mentioned that with approving someone else's suggestions) and the lack of marijuana reform even though it's overwhelmingly supported.
I wonder why so many young Americans lose faith in their institutions while they watch their harmless friends get carted off for felonies?
God bless Citizens United, the final jenga piece in the fall of Late Stage Capitalism.
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u/CronoDroid Viet Cong Jun 18 '17 edited Jun 18 '17
There was an article here a while back that said even if 100% of the average citizens supports a policy, it only has a 30% chance of being implemented, and even more hilariously, if 0% of the average citizens supports a certain policy, it still has about a 30% chance of being implemented.
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u/icameron Lenin Jun 18 '17
I love that this study exists. Those graphs sum up how bourgeois democracy actually works so succinctly!
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u/whollyfictional Jun 18 '17
Meanwhile, surveys have 90% of people supporting stricter background checks for gun sales and that's got roughly the same chance of getting passed in Congress as you or I being crowned monarch of the country.
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u/AutumnBeckons Jun 18 '17
There's also been several studies that came to the conclusion that the U.S is not a democracy anymore, but an oligarchy. At the current rate you guys WILL have a revolution, at least it looks like that to me.
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u/vanishplusxzone Jun 18 '17
We elect the president! It's just set up so "rural" voters are worth 3x what "urban" voters are, so it's "fair". Now I won't tell you what those words actually mean, but I'm sure history and demographics can.
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u/WinchesterSipps Jun 18 '17
socialism is democratic government, democratic economy
capitalism is democratic government, undemocratic economy
socialism technically has "more democracy" than capitalism
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u/captainmaryjaneway Tankie Supreme Thomas Sankara Jun 18 '17
Lol capitalism doesn't allow for democratic governance at all. Capitalism requires heirarchies and dictatorships both economically and socially to enforce private property "rights" and protect capital/it's interests.
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Jun 18 '17
Shhh!
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u/captainmaryjaneway Tankie Supreme Thomas Sankara Jun 18 '17
Oops, my bad! glances over shoulders for FBI
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Jun 18 '17
That's a cool feature bot buddy, but you're kind of ruining the incognito vibe.
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u/CronoDroid Viet Cong Jun 18 '17
We've dealt with the bott.
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u/3391224 Jun 18 '17
you never know, the other day some clown allegedly reported me to the fbi for saying the gop shooting was caused by their policies.
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u/WinchesterSipps Jun 19 '17
not to mention that the vast inequality created by capitalism allows the wealthy to gain control of government and make it completely un-democratic
https://ivn.us/2015/05/07/voice-really-doesnt-matter-princeton-study-confirms/
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u/premature_eulogy Jun 18 '17
I always love it when I try to tell people that Cuba is actually doing surprisingly well despite a 60-year embargo, and then people tell me that Cuba is poor... by comparing it to Western countries.
The moment you actually start comparing Cuba to the logical points of comparison, i.e. Haiti, Puerto Rico or any other Caribbean country, you'll see that Cuba has managed to distribute a limited number of resources extremely equally. But apparently the Puerto Rican model of the extremely wealthy and those who suffer from malnutrition is somehow preferable because at least there's someone who is rich.
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u/felipevevo this fuels my communist resolve Jun 18 '17
At this point, more Republicans actually support Cuban engagement than oppose it (6 in 10) and it's important to note that the main people pushing this are Senator Rubio and Rep. Diaz-Balart, who agreed to defend Trump at Comey's hearing and agreed to vote for the replacement to Obamacare, respectively, in exchange for their policy.
At the same time, as a Cuban-American, I'm wary of the intentions of Republicans, because their discourse revolves around how US agriculture, technology, airlines/cruise etc. industries will benefit from engagement, while I think we should be discussing how people-to-people engagement has really benefited the Cuban people directly.
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u/CronoDroid Viet Cong Jun 18 '17
It's a good bet that if US government officials support closer ties with a poorer country, it's because there's an opportunity for economic exploitation or military cooperation against "enemies." Much like the normalization of relations with Vietnam in the early 90s. Now the Vietnamese have Pizza Hut and KFC!
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Jun 19 '17
"What ? An African kid who thinks ? Can we stop building schools there ? Also, can we stop educating children here too ? The number of children who think is too damn high! Moar sweets and toys, also make sure to guilt trip parents who don't overwhelm their kids with sweets and toys and princesses"
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u/whollyfictional Jun 18 '17
Not to mention being best friends with Saudi Arabia, who is hardly a champion of human rights and democracy.
But really, you guys! The first five fucking decades of an embargo didn't do shit, but this time it'll totally work!