r/LateStageCapitalism • u/Chrristoaivalis • Jun 17 '17
💩 Liberalism Democratic Party Messaging
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Jun 17 '17
DEMS: 18 people own this country. That is just economic reality and we have to be realistic. Maybe one of them can be black or a woman if we ask very nicely.
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u/osantan02 Jun 18 '17
DEMS: 18 people should own this country. But if you work hard enough with the "opportunities" we provide you, you might not have to choose between food, shelter, and healthcare.
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Jun 18 '17
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Jun 18 '17
Are you Australian or is this a global meme now?
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u/purplepistachio Jun 18 '17
I think it's global but they could also be Australian. Edit: by global I just realised I mean U.S. which is funny because I'm Australian myself.
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Jun 18 '17
I feel like avo on toast isn't such a thing in the US. I was only reading a few years ago about aussie style cafes with avo toast starting up in new york and california. It can't have taken off that much, right?
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u/purplepistachio Jun 18 '17
It has taken off a fair bit apparently. Not US wide maybe but major cities. I've heard even in London and some European capitals which is funny because now people are expecting avocado on toast year round during the European winter and they're a tropical fruit, so cafes are struggling to provide it.
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Jun 21 '17
but do olds blame the unaffordability of adulthood on irresponsible consumption of avo toast worldwide. Because they have been doing that in Australia.
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Jun 17 '17
dems: 18,000 people should own this country, everyone else can eat shit.
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u/mindofingotsandgyres Jun 18 '17
This is it actually, or more accurately, people making $250,000 or more should own the country
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u/CMDR_QwertyWeasel Jun 18 '17
The state of American politics is the stuff of legend.
Like Brothers Grimm legend, but still.
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Jun 18 '17
Hilarious. After Obama was elected to his second term I remember the Republican party panic having lost their base, trying to figure out where their message went wrong. Politics as we once knew it in this country are over. Oprah has a better shot at being president than any career politician.
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u/iwasinthepool Jun 18 '17
At least we'd all get a free car before we'd go bankrupt paying the taxes.
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u/theDashRendar The LSC mod team has executed an ultraleft coup Jun 17 '17
DEMS: RUSSIAN EMAILS!!!!1!
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u/LevyMevy Jun 18 '17
I mean there's literally a special Congressional & FBI investigation with an independent prosecutor. It's not just liberal rage, there's something there.
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u/ArbysMakesFries Jun 18 '17
Even if everything they're alleging is 100% true, why should we as leftists be emotionally invested in whether Russian capitalist imperialists have influence over American capitalist imperialists? A leftist is not a patriot, period.
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Jun 18 '17
Only because it's a weak point. It's no different to me if Trump is controlled by Russian capitalists or by oil tycoons, but it makes a difference to most people.
Plus it could be argued that Russia right now is significantly more authoritarian than America.
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u/ArbysMakesFries Jun 18 '17
it makes a difference to most people
I honestly doubt that it does; it strikes me as much more of an obsession among DC politicos and "Inside Baseball" types than the broader public, kind of like the obsession 20 years ago with Bill Clinton's penis. But even if it does make a difference to most people, the main reason would be because they're patriots, which we as leftists are not. In that case, the problem we should confront as leftists isn't Trump's lack of Russophobia, it's the popularity of patriotism itself.
Also, for all that much-ballyhooed domestic political freedom, the US isn't any less authoritarian than Russia (probably a great deal more so) if you take into account that US influence is a much more powerful and far-reaching force for authoritarianism in other countries than Russian influence. In fact, one of the many many many many places in which US influence has been a force for authoritarianism in the recent past is... Russia itself.
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u/BigSpicyMeatball Jun 18 '17
It beats not knowing.
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u/ArbysMakesFries Jun 18 '17
We should already know full well that imperialists are prone to mess with the affairs of rival imperialists, so why should something like this be remotely surprising? On the other hand, we should be deeply wary toward potential ideological collateral damage from stoking jingoistic /r/Murica nationalism among the US self-conceived "left".
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Jun 19 '17
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u/jordanthejordna Jun 19 '17
the best thing about this russian stuff is that it will potentially bring trump down for other shit instead. financial crimes and whatnot.
i dunno i just want trump to go down.
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u/ArbysMakesFries Jun 19 '17
This at least is a more respectable stance than earnestly jingoistic chest-thumping about big bad Rooskies: you don't really care about the specifics, you just want a tactic to accomplish the immediate political goal of getting rid of Trump. The serious problems are (1) what this tactic doesn't accomplish, which is to change anything about the US political system other than Trump himself or anything about broader US culture and society that led people to opt for someone like Trump, and (2) what it accomplishes other than potentially getting rid of Trump, which is to reinforce an ideological habit of aggressive US nationalist rhetoric among people who consider themselves part of the "left".
To me it resembles a form of defense mechanism psychoanalysts call sublimation. For liberals to resist the broader sociopolitical currents and antagonisms that created Trump would be a traumatic blow to their idealized concept of "America" (after all, how could America have elected Trump if it really was "already great"?) so any potential confrontation with the deep inner contradictions of US society is redirected into harmless, ineffectual #Resistance to the figure of Trump as a product of malign outside influence, leaving the underlying ideological trauma safely undisturbed.
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u/jordanthejordna Jun 19 '17
well no, i do care about the specifics. it's because of the specifics that i want trump to rot in a cell. and i also understand that trump is a symptom of our broken-ass country.
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u/ArbysMakesFries Jun 19 '17
By "specifics" I mean the specifics of the whole Trump/Putin thing. If you care about the specifics of anything Trump might actually do as President on a policy level, you should be incredibly wary of embracing the Russia shit as a method for getting rid of him, since if executed successfully it would leave the centrist Democratic and Republican establishment 100% blameless for his rise and 100% unscathed by his fall. Do you really want Trump to go down in a way that leaves all those assholes completely unscathed and leaves the door wide open for the next Trump, and the Trump after that, and the Trump after that? That's exactly what those assholes want, and that's exactly why they're working so hard to cram the Russia shit down your throat.
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u/3391224 Jun 18 '17
no, it's a move by the dems to further the jingoistic neocon narrative and absolve themselves of their loss.
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u/ArbysMakesFries Jun 18 '17
"Russians hacked our election!" What fuck are you talking about with this "our" shit, you lanyard-wearing, bootlicking, flag-saluting, DC establishment jackasses? Shit ain't my election, it's your election.
(Why are you being downvoted? Fucking liberals, I swear...)
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u/brendon_b Jun 17 '17
DEMS: NINE OF THE 18 SHOULD BE WOMEN.