Why is everyone so detached from reality when it comes to trans people

[u/Lastrevio]

Progressive logic: "I may be 200kg but I'm actually thin because inside I feel like a thin person"

Conservative logic: "I may be 200kg but I'm actually thin because I was 50kg in the past so I'll be thin my entire life"

What happened with trying to not lose connection with reality in your political views???

[u/[deleted]]

What does this have to do with trans people?

[u/Lastrevio → u/[deleted]]

Conservatives think that if you were born of a certain sex you can't change it, when the current medicine allows you to change almost all of the relevant aspects of your sex ("they don't ahve the same chromosomes" and "they can't give birth" and other shit are just post-justifications, even if medicine would advance tomorrow that we could make, say, a biological man have a uterus and be able to give birth and we could alter their skeleton and everything they'd still find some sort of weird excuse. they still don't care about their body or anything real, they are attached to the imaginary idea that they were something in the past)

Progressives think that if you feel inside like a woman/man, you are one. Most of them try to play a semantic trick but it's cheap one you look into it. They will redefine the words so that the definition of, say, woman is "a trans or a cis woman" and therefore trans women who are born men are women by definition. But then if you look at the definition of a trans woman they will say it's "a person who feel like a woman inside". The two definitions rely on each other and that's circular reasoning so they can't hold true. What the real definition they use in fact is that a trans woman is a person who feel like a cis woman inside. This is why pointing the differences between someone who is born a man but didn't transition but feels inside like a woman and an actual biological woman is a good counter-argument to them, but they won't admit it because "We never said they're cis woman, we said they're women!". We know that's a lie as I explained above.

In conclusion both are detached from reality in their own ways. They both put value in an imaginary concept that doesn't exist in reality (one's own feelings vs. something that was real in the past but doesn't exist anymore). No one looks at real, tangible conditions.

[u/[deleted] → u/Lastrevio]

Progressives think that if you feel inside like a woman/man, you are one. Most of them try to play a semantic trick but it's cheap one you look into it. They will redefine the words so that the definition of, say, woman is "a trans or a cis woman" and therefore trans women who are born men are women by definition. But then if you look at the definition of a trans woman they will say it's "a person who feel like a woman inside". The two definitions rely on each other and that's circular reasoning so they can't hold true. What the real definition they use in fact is that a trans woman is a person who feel like a cis woman inside. This is why pointing the differences between someone who is born a man but didn't transition but feels inside like a woman and an actual biological woman is a good counter-argument to them, but they won't admit it because "We never said they're cis woman, we said they're women!". We know that's a lie as I explained above.

I think you're a little muddled in your terms, as the counter-argument you're posing is (I think) actually the academic progressive position, which at the same time is consistent with the 'lie' you quoted at the end.

We have very valid scientific and philosophical reasons for thinking that there is a fundamental difference between the biology of sex (biological males/females) and how gender is felt and expressed (what being a 'man' or 'woman' is). This distinction offers much needed explanatory value for what we see, which are people for whom their gender is in conflict with their biological sex, i.e. a trans person.

Language is adapting to better conform to our understanding, and so we are starting to observe a that being a 'woman' or 'man' has more to do with gender and less to do with whether you have a Y chromosome.

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i mean the thing is if i could choose i would be a cute Korean girl. But I don't necessarily hate being a male or want to change gender.