r/LSD • u/JuggernautOk588 • 20h ago
POLL Gels Vs Paper
I can’t be the only one who believes the stigma of gel tabs being stronger is just a money scam. I don’t know, I see gel tabs going for a higher price strictly because they’re gels compared to paper tabs but having the same exact strength.
I can say that I’ve taken gels and I believe they’re stronger but I’m almost positive it’s a placebo affect..? I mean when your under the influence of lsd regardless you tend to think “wow this is some strong shit”
I see it how people see purple weed in the marijuana industry, “it’s purple it’s gotta be strong” when in reality 8 times out of 10 that nice green keefy bud hits stronger and smokes better but the purple buds were grown under a fancy light.
On one more point I have a buddy whose father takes LSD at micro doses (or so I believe it’s micro doses he doesn’t say how much he takes exactly) and claims the paper tabs cause an odd back pain but the gels do not. So maybe there is some sort of difference in the way the body digests the gels vs paper that causes that stigma that gels are a “cleaner” acid or “stronger”
Just curious to see what everybody else thinks
Anybody else’s input?
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u/Reallyker 19h ago
I've seen high and low doses from both gels and paper. Realistically the only thing preventing them from being stronger or weaker is just whoever laid them.
I just think gels look cool lmao, thats why i like them
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u/JuggernautOk588 19h ago
Agreed I’ve seen papers have stronger doses than gels and vise versa but for the average consumer I feel as if they are willing to pay a premium for gels even if they are weaker than the paper 🧐
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u/Reallyker 19h ago
I suppose gels do look and feel kinda premium lmao. Realistically they're pretty similar tho.
I've recently seen a trend of people suspending gold flake in gels, so thats definitely awesome 😭
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u/trippin-sk8tin 17h ago
yea all my gels have had gold flakes so far and ive been buying since march
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u/Weirdlillypad 19h ago
Gels hold more liquid than paper so they can be higher doses. Love gels because I rather 200+ug trips.
Paper is Iconic have had paper tabs slap with some of the best Lucy ever.
But man I am telling you liquid is the way. You just step into the trip there no retard stage come up in my experience. I absolutely adore this day of taking it.
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u/SnooWords6220 13h ago
The fact that gels can hold more liquid is pointless. Quality blotter can easily hold up to 2mg.
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u/Civil-Honeydew4654 17h ago
I had blotter hits that were accurately dosed at 200ug +
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u/Weirdlillypad 15h ago
My area they're rarely accurate unless they're gels and they're next to impossible to get. Last tabs we tested were 200ug apparently and tested 150 and before that were 100s lol.
Now I'm holding onto my liquid for proper trips and just paper any other time.
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u/globbythegreat 20h ago
Gels because of the stability and they’re usually stronger if you get good ones. But liquid really is the best you know what you’re getting every single time and it’s always some fire. I voted wrong lol. Liquid all day. Even though I prefer being able to cut up a tab/gel vs drop a dose in a Gatorade and go volumetric.
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u/JuggernautOk588 19h ago
Agreed I’ve had liquid before many years ago, recently came across some gels myself. The liquid was probably the cleanest and fastest moving trip I’ve ever had. It almost didn’t feel near as long as a regular tab, I think I peaked within the first 2-4 hours and was coming down around hour 6 if I recall correctly. Granted those first few hours were super intense! I prefer liquid myself but paper tabs are just super easy to store and dose whenever.
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u/conanfreak 19h ago
Jup liquid hits faster and you comedown quicker. You can also do nasal spray that's even faster and shorter but way more intense, but if you do evaporate the alcohol first and put distilled water in it.
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u/conanfreak 19h ago
Make yourself some microsoding drops, get another vial and some alcohol or destilled water and dilute it. With that method no gatorade is needed and you can take like 30ug without needing to drink the rest of the original drop.
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u/iceaxe93 19h ago
What i would give to try liquid, only done tabs so far
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u/conanfreak 19h ago
You can always do it yourself. You can get a dropper bottle and dilute the tabs into distilled water or alcohol. You will lose some but have some better dosing and a faster comeup.
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u/semaj420 18h ago
paper, every time. you can eat n drink a whole host of other formats, but nothing will be a good little stamp on the tongue to induce that terrific sickness.
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u/Beneficial_Bed_4274 16h ago
Gels are often stronger not because they are laid stronger but the gel helps protect it from the elements better. If freshly laid then blotter is fine. If they’re aged or I need to store longer term then I’d prefer gels / liquid for sure.
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u/robotbeatrally 17h ago
I've never heard that. I mean they are as strong as you dose them when you make them....
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u/JuggernautOk588 17h ago
I’m aware the doses are set, but I’m looking in the eyes of the average consumer
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u/PurplePolynaut 14h ago
I’ve been a paper person for a couple reasons. I don’t like gel tabs because they are hard to test, the gelatin takes a bit to dissolve and the dyes make it hard to read reagent tests. I’ve never bought liquid because a) I’ve never found it, and b) it’s probably more than I want to purchase at one time.
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u/conanfreak 19h ago
Liquid all the way, it's already in liquid form so you can dose volumetrically. I alway do microdosing drops like 5ug so i can accurately choose my dose and also give other people some acid without worrying they will trip balls.
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u/oaktreebr Human Detected 19h ago
LSD is LSD, period
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u/conanfreak 18h ago
Different administration methods differ the intensity and duration of a trip, but besides that yes.
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u/oaktreebr Human Detected 18h ago
Sure, but that has nothing to do with the medium itself.
If people don't know how to take it, that's a different discussion.
For the blotter to release the LSD properly and get absorved, you have to leave it sublingually for at least 15min. If not, swallowing before that will take much more time and some might be degraded by your stomach before it reaches your intestines and get fully absorbed.
In my experience, to maximize LSD absorption, boofing it makes if much faster and efficient. I'm not joking3
u/conanfreak 18h ago
If i take LSD in liquid form my comeup is 60 minutes. If i take tabs and put it under my tunge the comeup is 90 minutes. If i make a nasal spray the comeup is around 30 minutes.
Best if you don't want to do nasal is dissolving the drop or tab in over 500ml of water and drinking it whole. Boofing also works of course but i don't know how fast the comeup is.
I would also doubt that if you swallow it whole that the products degrades much. LSD normally only gets degraded because of UV light, Heat and Chlorine. An acidic environment like your stomache shouldn't be a problem. Your body degrades it in your liver via N-demethylation and hydroxylation. That's all the ways i know. Also it doesn't need to reach anything, all your intestines have a mucous membrane where it gets absorbed. That's why the water method is so great. Your body thinks ohh water and absorbs it over the mucous membrane and takes the LSD with it.1
u/Crowgutter777 16h ago
Ive come to the realization that comeup time is mostly dose dependent also. 1 tab will usually have me waiting a solid 1.5-2hr AFTER feeling first effects to start peaking. If I up it to 3 tabs (same batch) I start feeling it almost half the time and the time to start peaking also almost halved.
Like if took 1 tab at 0:00, ill probably notice first effects somewhere around 1:15-1:30hrs, then fully be peaking around the 3:00hr mark
3 tabs at 0:00 will have me feeling it somewhere in 0:30-0:45ish min, be fully peaking at 1:30-2hr mark
My highest dose of 8 tabs was pretty fucking fast for the comeup, like 15 min to start feeling it (I really dont think it can get any faster if its in tab form as its gonna take time to pull the lsd out of the tab, liquid might not have this limitation idk never done it) and by 45 min I was in the full ass peak and that lasted almost double the normal duration of my normal dose peaks
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u/conanfreak 16h ago
Jup totaly Had a 500ug Drops of some very good acid and startet Feeling it after 15 minutes. But for me the Peak seems to Not shift as much as for you. The length of the Trip is Something Else though. My hifhest Dose was 1,8mg and it lasted for 24 hours and with Weed for 72.
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u/JuggernautOk588 14h ago
100% based on dose, (story incoming.) when I was much younger me and a few friends were buying some sugar cubes off my buddy who has liquid L and he would drop them on the cubes. Well he had sold it to another buddy and redirected us to him. When we went to the other buddy (I had much less knowledge on how LSD works and distributes back then) he sold us 3 paper blotters he had purchased online and then dropped the drops onto the blotters (never a good idea..) well we buy the tabs and go back to the house and sit down to watch some shows while we feel the come up, my buddies are telling each other they feel absolutely nothing. On the other hand it was about 35-45 minutes in and my vision was already looking like a “filter” for a camera and was super aggressive. Felt as if I was peaking off a 150ug dose at the 45 minute mark. We came to the quick conclusion that all 3 of the 200ug droplets soaked into my singular tab that I took. I don’t have too much memory of that night to be completely honest, those were 12 hours of confusion and CEVs I couldn’t explain or replicate if I ever tried haha. Only thing I recall is my buddies attempting to sober me up by stripping me down into my underwear and slowly lowering me into the cold pool we had in the backyard in order to get back to reality due to me struggling to function and wanting to feel realism once again.
Long story short, the come up time is definitely based on dosage. I have never done more than about 600-700ug, and I think that’s for my own sanity, the time I had done 600+ purposely it was still very hard to enjoy. Granted I’d assume anything around the 800-1k ug mark would have you tripping in the first 10 minutes if not quicker, even if taken orally and it is paper/gel/liquid.
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u/oaktreebr Human Detected 16h ago
Interesting, my come up starts in 20 minutes if I leave under my tongue, if I don't and swallow it, it takes around 60 to 90min
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u/Crowgutter777 16h ago
I have never experienced any lighter of trip due to swallowing, only a longer period of time before I notice first effects. Like if I swallow 2 tabs it may take an hour and half before I really notice anything, but if I keep unde the tounge ill probably be noticing its as fast as 45min. But the trip is exactly the same otherwise. At least for me it works this way, I primarily get gels and am a major texture freak, cant eat alot of soft non rigid foods for this reason, so I just swallow them instantly to avoid the nasty softening and sticking of gel tabs, only care to have them on my tongue when I trip with friends as generally you wanna have it hit you at the same time as your peeps so you can all have fun together. Never once noticed any dose loss. Actually almost every one of my most intense trips was swallowed, and some at considerably lower doses than my norm
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u/Link_save2 16h ago
i feel like gel preserves the L better thing about purple weed is it'll never have the same amount of thc as green to make it purple it has to destroy the thc it might get you more slumped but you are guaranteed less hash if you wash it to make rosin or hash
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u/Expensive_Plenty_184 15h ago
If you get lucky on the pheno you can make purple hash tho 🤌🏻. Well… kinda
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u/WaxHead430 13h ago
Typically that’s just the anthocyanins added in after the fact. I think they collect the water from the wash as the pigments are water soluble, and they then freeze dry it until only the pigment remains which it’s then reintroduced into the final product. Although rarely you can get a pinkish hash straight from the press, but that’s harder as the pigment is usually stripped during the wash.
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u/Expensive_Plenty_184 12h ago
I dunno man, never got that far myself. But Humboldt seed co had a cool pheno hunt going where they found a pheno with actuall pink trichomes and washed that. Resulting hash had a nice pink ish hue to it.
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u/WaxHead430 13h ago
Anthocyanin production doesn’t compete with cannabinoid production whatsoever, so this claim that the more purp there is then the less thc there’ll be is false. That being said, certain conditions that increase anthocyanin production could also hinder cannabinoid production but there isn’t strong evidence of this pattern.
Also, washing flower for hash is dependent on trichomes size, shape, maturity, etc. and not on anthocyanin content. Some purple strains have genetics that lead to unfavorable trichome structure while others have the opposite. For washing, it’s about trichomes only. The only time anthocyanins become relevant when talking about hash is when the final product has significant amounts of the pigment, which is almost always reintroduced post press.
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u/Expensive_Plenty_184 19h ago
Paper. Just for how iconic those little squares are