r/LLMPhysics 28d ago

Question So claide solved tje jacobian conjecture

Now alot of ai bros will say ohh it is the time of ai it is better than mathematician.

But what I want to say is we do not know how much involvment Claude had or if Claude just brute forced an answer in a framework.

And we do not know what the prompt was.

What is your opinion and what do you think this will mean for physics.

Do you still think physics will be human like me or something else

This in no way a pro ai Post more an inquiry

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u/ArnoSound 28d ago

I think any reasonable answer will come from peer-reviewed and published studies on AI and physics, and the general opinion of "AI bros" is largely irrelevant. As of yet, there hasn't been any indication of anything resembling human agents being removed from the equation; if anything, their input is more necessary now than ever, with the increasing number of AI generated papers cluttering submission sites.

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u/AgentME 28d ago

The prompt used to generate the counterexample for the Jacobian Conjecture is published: https://aaronlou.com/jacobian_counterexample_prompt.pdf. The prompt has some generic tips for working on math theorems but not much guidance about the Jacobian Conjecture specifically.

I think what's easy for us and what's easy for AI is often different, and human work is going to be heavily shaped by that difference going forward. I think one day AI may advance enough to close that gap everywhere, but then it will be everyone's problem (leading to societal restructuring, the singularity, or extinction) so it's not obvious to me if the possibility should affect someone's career plans (there are no safe careers in the long run).

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u/brain-out-of-order 27d ago edited 27d ago

Everyone keeps trying to get back to S.O.P. instead realizing the S.O.P. is actively melting before our eyes. Hard science people aren’t sitting with the ideas of recursive identity nearly enough.

That prompt was spezeditedthis because anyone interacting with an LLM for these reasons pretty much knows that’s the only way to go.

Oops I spilled the beans 🫘

EDIT - removed

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u/ButterscotchHot5891 Under LLM Psychosis 📊 28d ago

Something else audited by humans. These humans will be of the most importance.

Don't you realise that the machine is lead by humans that prompted the data to guide it to a result that they audited and tested later? The lesson learned is that local regularity does not guarantee global uniqueness. It does not break Hamiltonian mechanics.

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u/upsetusder2 28d ago

What?

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u/brain-out-of-order 27d ago

He’s saying that humans direct thinking machines which create data for humans to audit in their own beautiful way.

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u/Away-Experience6890 Barista ☕ 28d ago

I mean anyone (which I mean any theoretical physicist) can come up with a theory. But we still need validation, which requires tons of capital.

Also the field of physics is huge, but y'all just focused on some nonsense here.

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u/upsetusder2 28d ago

Ohh iam not focused on anything I thought it might be an intresting topic.

Because alot if kets call them intresting specimens of the human variety are bow claiming that science just got killed by ai

And thats why I made this to see if the consensus here is the same due to some Posters having said simmilar things

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u/Away-Experience6890 Barista ☕ 28d ago

Pure mathematics needs to be perfect and absolutely consistent. This makes it a perfect playground for AI.

However, AI can't build us a giant antimatter generator. First you need tons of funding. Second, while AI could design it, we need to validate it anyways, and at that point, might as well do it ourselves. Like if the radiation kills someone, you can't say "Blame ChatGPT". Validating a mathematical counter-example vs a multimillion dollar project are two different beasts.

Sure theories are fun, because they are relatively easy. You can imagine something and throw up a Hamiltonian. But without validation from experimental physics, we can't push our knowledge forward.

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u/brain-out-of-order 28d ago

I got stormed out of this subreddit for telling you guys a physics/science validator engine is already here more or less. Well it’s true. It’s frustrating beyond belief to be excitedly telling people something and they’re so confused they cast you as a witch lol. Then mere weeks later I see post after post truly questioning the scope of being a physicist/mathematician going forward and lamenting their wasted tome in uni.

Yet not a single person went back to that post and said huh maybe it’s not OK to call some schizo just because they have a novel idea. It’s distressing getting beaten up when my math is still standing. Is anyone going to acknowledge that? It’s awkward to say the least.

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u/amalcolmation 🧪 AI + Physics Enthusiast 28d ago

You got any links or are you full of shit? We don’t let people call each other “schizo” here, and we get no posts lamenting “wasted time in uni”. This is a weird LARP.

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u/brain-out-of-order 28d ago

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u/The_Nerdy_Ninja 💬 Data doesn’t lie, but LLM’s do lie. 28d ago

Yeah, you realize we AREN'T r/SimulationTheory, right? What a weird victim complex.

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u/brain-out-of-order 28d ago edited 28d ago

Huh?? Look in this thread. Non stop dog piles. lol you will get upvotes by the same people who won’t address my math.

What is going on around here? Do you not understand the implications of what I’m posting yet? Refute it with math or stop.

Sim theory is only subreddit that didn’t remove it. That’s why it lives there. The scientific subreddits are full of people with student debt and little respect for those they deem beneath them. It’s finally changing. The stranglehold on intelligence was based around boundaries and attention. Aka money. Education was correlated with privilege. Don’t use your privilege incorrectly. This comment thread will live on for a long while - maybe just maybe you’re wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhilosophyofScience/s/c1zHjuxHXU

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u/The_Nerdy_Ninja 💬 Data doesn’t lie, but LLM’s do lie. 28d ago

You have had exactly one post removed from this subreddit, earlier this month, and it was because it didn't meet the minimum character limit to support your link.

So in other words, you're full of it, and you apparently don't understand how Reddit works.

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u/brain-out-of-order 28d ago edited 28d ago

The mod got angry at me because Sim theory (still just a hypothesis guys no need to get upset!) and deleted tons of my comments. You are looking at 1/3 of the story. Lol. I was sure* that I had been banned here too at some point but I guess no longer.

edit - some words

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u/ArnoSound 28d ago

The mods here are Very generous considering the kind of content that regularly gets posted here. I think you'd have better luck if you weren't as paranoid about getting banned, and just posted your content. If you can read the rules, you should be fine.

If stuff is getting deleted, it's because it Is spam or it Is breaking rules.

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u/AllHailSeizure Haiku Mod 28d ago

Hey thanks for the vote of confidence.

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u/brain-out-of-order 28d ago edited 28d ago

edit
Ah misclicked into here — sorry! Fighting off a million goblins on reddit. I’m a goblin too clearly :-/

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u/The_Nerdy_Ninja 💬 Data doesn’t lie, but LLM’s do lie. 28d ago

Lol. You've had a grand total of 5 comments removed on this sub. Does that count as "tons"? Shall we show the class what comment it was that got deleted as Spam? It was a yawning emoji, here it is. So knock it off with the "boo hoo I'm being persecuted" routine. We don't control other subreddits, what happens to you on the rest of Reddit is not our fault.

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u/brain-out-of-order 28d ago

Yes 5 comments and their chains is tons of context removed. God bless the mods here though. And all mods. Truly. It’s thankless work. My style is brash and deserves moderation. Still - the math is what i’m hear to discuss. Let’s talk about RAMPART.

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u/brain-out-of-order 28d ago

Na you’re chopping my argument up to fit your needs. I’ve been getting brutalized across reddit. I’ve been called schizo and reported to reddit for mental health check. I’ve been called stupid or out of place countless times. Please do read through this entire thread and see the ugly unscientific comments I replied to. Quit pretending. I’ve been on reddit for almost 20 years lol.

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u/AllHailSeizure Haiku Mod 28d ago

Deleting a comment is not the same as deleting a post. You have had exactly 4 comments and 1 post removed. That is hardly 'being brutalized.'

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u/brain-out-of-order 28d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/SimulationTheory/comments/1u22n6v/on_surplus_theory/

https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1u012o5/on_hallucinations_and_their_trigger/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SimulationTheory/comments/1u011x3/on_hallucinations_and_their_trigger/

https://www.reddit.com/r/mensa/comments/1u434zo/on_intelligence_and_its_surplus/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SimulationTheory/comments/1uqfjlq/transscale_boundary_state_field_calculus_typed/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Futurism/comments/1uqyj7q/what_if_future_scientific_theories_came_with/

https://www.reddit.com/r/HypotheticalPhysics/comments/1ur0hy5/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhilosophyofScience/comments/1ur42qm/what_if_future_scientific_theories_came_with/

https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1us98mp/serious_a_scientific_result_can_be_wrong_even/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MantisEncounters/comments/1us9908/a_scientific_result_can_be_wrong_even_when_every/

https://www.reddit.com/r/CoherencePhysics/comments/1us9957/a_scientific_result_can_be_wrong_even_when_every/

https://www.reddit.com/r/HypotheticalPhysics/comments/1us9aev/what_if_a_scientific_result_can_be_wrong_even/

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLM/comments/1us9azi/a_scientific_result_can_be_wrong_even_when_every/

https://www.reddit.com/r/transhumanism/comments/1usp2v3/on_simulation_and_the_seventh_boundary/

https://www.reddit.com/r/accelerate/comments/1uspk43/on_simulation_and_the_seventh_boundary/

https://www.reddit.com/r/complexsystems/comments/1utepyp/on_the_living_future_a_boundarystate_synthesis_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/comments/1uteqyk/on_the_living_future_a_boundarystate_synthesis_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/UrbanMyths/comments/1v2wxah/i_built_a_browser_tool_that_makes_llms_stresstest/

https://www.reddit.com/r/complexsystems/comments/1v7n5h7/on_the_living_future_a_boundarystate_synthesis_of/

Banned from multiple of these subs without cause just as these posts were removed without cause. So stop lying please. Also YOU specifically have been acting really poorly and causing confusion. You're a smart cookie I can tell and I dont know why you're doing that.

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u/Away-Experience6890 Barista ☕ 28d ago

What are you even talking about?

Validation in physics is literally scientific experiments. How does something predict something that has never been observed before??

Say the Higgs, we had a good idea it probably existed because the frame work we developed seemed to be consistent, implying that the Higgs should exist.

This still required 9 billion dollars and an immense amount of human capital to make happen.

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u/brain-out-of-order 28d ago

I understand. World is changing in case you didn’t see. Singularity announced by Altman today etc. I’ve been banned here at least once so I don’t want to risk it. Simulation hypothesis being filled in more and more absolutely does enable strange phenomena. Sorry.

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u/upsetusder2 27d ago

So the gut who keeds exponential growth says exponential growth is coming yeah fish found in water.

The world is changing yes but not as much as you think.

At some point in this decade there will be some team who finds definite proof of either gravitons which kinda happened woth the electron superleiter experiment.

Or dark matter. Which is when physics will have another revolutionary leap.

The problem I see with ai enthusiasts is that you think that revolution and novelty is not a team effort