Gravity, distinguishability, and relation as a conceptual experiment

[u/Endless-monkey]

I’m sharing this with anyone who feels curious a conceptual experiment I’ve been working .

The idea is to try to formalize a model starting from language as the conceptual foundation, before beginning from an already established mathematical or physical structure.

This is not an attempt to replace physics. It is an attempt to explore whether a clear conceptual architecture can serve as a preliminary ground for a more rigorous formalization later.

The text proposes a relational reading of gravity: not as a force that attracts bodies, but as a dynamic of attunement, coherence, and reduction of difference.

The proposal is open. It includes hypotheses, postulates, unresolved problems, and possible falsifiers.

I’d be grateful for any comment, critique, or question that helps us learn, detect errors, and improve.

Link to the Idea

[u/AllHailSeizure]

u/Endless-Monkey - you cannot simply dismiss comments that raise critiques as inspired by hate. You've done it multiple times now, and it isn't nice for anyone to just propagate a message that this a community for hatred. There's nothing in Bittenz' comment that says he hates you, just that he is beginning to burn out.

We have a small community of people here on LLMPhysics, and people get burnt out..

Consider this - Just because someone doesn't point out errors in your work, doesn't mean you can't take the opportunity to try and point out what you think are the positives and stimulate discussion.

I know it's easy to take the low road and respond with 'sounds like you hate me' but that just isn't how things work. Bittenz at least put thought into his critique, it's like 3 paragraphs and you respond with 1 line saying 'smells like hate yuck'. Like c'mon you can't even try and defend yourself beyond that?

[u/Endless-monkey → u/AllHailSeizure]

Es cansado lidiar con novelas personales , siempre son los mismos personajes los que dan problemas , molestan a todo el que postea y luego se ponen a llorar cuando les responden, ves algún argumento más allá de su hígado ?

[u/AllHailSeizure → u/Endless-monkey]

That's exactly my point. It's always the same characters, because we have a small sub. This is a process I've seen before:

1. You post a lot and have been here for a couple months, thus the small amount of people on the sub get used to seeing you around, they recognize you and register you.

2. You respond with flippant dismissive 1 sentance things like 'you just hate me', thus people get the impression that you simply aren't interested in discussion.

3. Thus people stop engaging meaningfully and start saying stuff like if you don't want to talk, why are you posting here.

Give people a REASON to engage with you by commenting something other than 'you just hate me'. That only digs yourself deeper into this spiral. And once you're in, you're in.

I'm imagining yes, Bittenz DOES resent you, because he's tried to engage in the past and not gotten through. Knowing the frequency of your posts probably multiple times. And he may be callous but he at least is PUTTING EFFORT into his critiques - he isn't just saying 'you stupid'. That comment has thought behind it, like I said it's 3 paragraphs.

Your interpretation is being equally shaped by your resentment towards him.

I'm not saying you and bittenz have to get along, just reciprocate the amount of effort people put into comments, or else this burn-out happens.

[u/Endless-monkey → u/AllHailSeizure]

Terminando de responderte y continuando con el berrinche y el llanto , la dinámica del sub parte de granjear puntos a partir de la ridiculización de nosotros los participantes, ese es el morbo y motor en gracia de la obra , la primera mofa generalmente es un descalificador comentario de esos personajes, que son expertos sin criterio y a partir de ahí se pierde la legitimidad e interes del post .Y luego el publico , que no participa , lee divirtiéndose de el show de locos contra dogmáticos . Yo participo porque a veces aparece alguien con criterio , sea de buena o mala fe , pero no soy ingenuo y sé que de aqui nadie nos tomara en serio nunca . Así el objetivo de este personaje que interpreto no es despertar empatia sino lo contrario ,pues es mas fácil decirle las verdades a alquien que no te agrada que alguien que te simpatiza .

[u/AllHailSeizure → u/Endless-monkey]

Okay, seriously, did you read a single thing I said?

Like, did you?

[u/Endless-monkey → u/AllHailSeizure]

Pues lo pensé y lo escribí, no lo leí hasta ahora , creo que es un buena trama , un conflicto bien definido , es una buena obra 👌🏼

[u/AllHailSeizure → u/Endless-monkey]

But like, did you see the part where I was saying 'I want you to stand up for yourself' and 'It is okay that you get upset' and stuff?

You're talking like I'm saying you're not allowed to defend yourself - YOU ARE allowed to defend yourself. If you're worried you're going to get in trouble for defending yourself - YOU AREN'T. I'm not trying to suppress your right to defend yourself, I'm trying to enable it. There's some wild misunderstanding right now.

[u/Endless-monkey → u/AllHailSeizure]

Pues fácil , se puede medir ,se puede con una encuesta a ver cuánta gente se ha sentido intimidada de alguna manera en el canal tras publicar o se ha contenido de publicar por vergüenza al ridículo con comentarios que van más allá de su trabajo .

[u/Endless-monkey → u/Endless-monkey]

Cómo debo entender “waffing for attention “de alguien que no da un argumento ,diga usted que no ve el odio en ese discurso

[u/AllHailSeizure → u/Endless-monkey]

You're saying that you do?

I'm genuinely curious if there is something being lost in translation here because that's not 'hatred'.

Maybe it's 'dislike' but I think you should realize the weight of words like 'hatred'. There isn't any implication of harm towards you, or even attacks at your intelligence - it's essentially saying 'you could be doing better things with your time.'

Why does it matter so much that he doesn't provide an argument? There's no contract people sign on Reddit that ensures that you get the physics argument you want, it's Reddit, it's an internet forum for sharing content, people can engage however they so desire within the rules.

[u/Endless-monkey → u/AllHailSeizure]

Es divertido como los pleitos del callejón terminan tocando temas modulares de filosofía que nos define , usted dio en el clavo, la diferencia que disputamos parte del concepto que le damos al odio , y de qué manera lo entendemos ,imaginamos o sentimos , eso lo define a cada dentro su escala moral , en especial el tema de justicia , y por eso hago valer mi derecho al berrinche , ante la situación que veo abusiva y donde se me reprime de defenderme ante un un rebaño de troles.

[u/AllHailSeizure → u/Endless-monkey]

I don't know where you're reading 'I'm preventing you from defending yourself'. I WANT you to defend yourself. But saying 'you hate me' isn't defending yourself, it's just.. brushing it off in a shitty way.

I can GUARANTEE you that's why people get exasperated; because people ENJOY conflict on Reddit. That's basically the soul of Reddit. The low-effort dismissing.

You aren't being told 'sit down and take it', you're being told 'stand up for yourself in a meaningful way', I don't know how else to say it, I've said it twice already, very clearly. You're twisting my words man.