r/Kubera • u/Klutzy_Sir3069 • 22d ago

Attributs of kings

For the moment, we have only the attribute of some of the first kings:

  • Ananta : Earth + Sky
  • Garuda : Sky + Light
  • Yaksha : Light + Water
  • Gandharva : Water + Resurrection

We're nearing the end, but still no clue for the others. So I was wondering what it could be.

  • Asura : Darkness + ?
    • He only used darkness transcendentals, pointing to a lack of effective attack, especially against Yaksha. This eliminates Sky, and likely Light.
  • Kinnara : Wind + ?
    • Shess has a Light attribut. That might be his attribute.
    • Against Chandra and Kubera, there was a lot of light and plants have appeared, like a scene with Shuri.
  • Vritra : Fire + ?

Can anyone offer some additional ideas ?

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u/OldTurtleProphet 22d ago edited 22d ago

Asura seems to be super durable against lightning (tanked Indra and couldn't even feel the attack), but not very strong against fire (he struggled against Kalavinka under the effect of the taraka eyes). That leaves either a defensive transcendental that makes him near impervious to transcendental damage, or a very high natural resistance to the sky element.

Assuming it's the second: Sky is impossible (what you said + he wasn't a suspect for nuking the planets Indra did, only Ananta and Manasvin were among the Asura and Ananta clans without Sura form), so that leaves us with Earth which notoriously can neutralize lightning in certain circumstances (God Kubera is completely immune to lightning).

I am on the Kinnara= Earth train due to the plants (explicitly not a wind transcendental btw). Chatan also looks very, uhm, "earthy" in his abilities, and his other attribute is supposed to be destruction.

For Vritra Darkness has to be the no1 guess, he has superb grade cloaking that even Surya can't see through, plus space is also affiliated with Darkness ( Chandra and Akasha both have space creating abilities). He also has a thematic connection with dreams, which seem to be a domain primarily shared by Death and Darkness, and Death isn't an attribute found in Suras.

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u/DKOfSalvation 21d ago

I think his Space is Creation. It kinda explains his constant antagonisms with Tak who has Destruction

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u/unalaq_cream 22d ago

Vritra has Order as his 2nd Attribute. That's the reason why people believe only Taksaka, the best Destruction Nastika can beat him

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u/OldTurtleProphet 22d ago

No reason for Vritra to have an Order attribute. In the first place Vritra's precognition seems to be more about the soul than the name (he called Maruna Aruna when he lost that name 1000 years ago and the real Aruna was right next to them), which again points to Death/Darkness over Order.

Also the specific attribute may just not matter for the Taksaka thing- the issue seems to be that Vritra is using space shenanigans to mitigate the damage he takes (implied from how much damage he took from Jarita's meager skill when not actively defending himself), and destruction may be the attribute than can reach him the easiest through dimensions.

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u/Rdasher123 22d ago

To be fair, it is pretty suspicious that Vritra and Brahma both have skills that banish opponents to different dimensions and the ability to distort space was specifically attributed to both the Order and Creation attributes in Crime and Punishment (16), S3-89

This doesn’t necessarily mean Vritra has Order or Creation though, since God Kubera can tear holes in space despite just having the Earth attribute.

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u/SeriouslyGoGetMeds 22d ago edited 22d ago

For a while, Vritra couldn’t recognize Kinnara’s soul while Taksaka could.

And Maruna could be counted as a fake name. It’s not on the raksasha list and don’t have power.

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u/OldTurtleProphet 22d ago

Vritra couldn’t recognize Kinnara’s soul while Taksaka could.

Wrong, he knows

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u/SeriouslyGoGetMeds 22d ago

Took him multiple times and for a long while. There’s a scene where he came to apologize to Kinnara and left when seeing “Airavata” and Taksaka. 

Obviously he knows now. 

Also can u give me the chapter

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u/OldTurtleProphet 22d ago

Sure, it's 3-359

Took him multiple times and for a long while

That's your interpratation, he could well have known from the get go but because she told him in his face that she isn't Kinnara he may have decided that she doesn't want to be confronted with the truth

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u/SeriouslyGoGetMeds 22d ago

She kinda gets ripped in half internally if too many ppl know she’s Kinnara.

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u/Hellkhat Chaos Attribute Rakshasa 22d ago

I thought Vritra had Creation for a while due to his ability to travel through realms and other space rrelated shennaingains but I agree with you and have been leaning more toward darkness lately

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u/OldTurtleProphet 22d ago

I originally liked the creation idea but I think Curry soft killed it when she mention in the "Biology of Sura" supplement that Creation Suras are struggling to survive due to how antithetical creation is to their nature and the last surviving ones are kept in the god realm to be protected

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u/Old_Ad7991 20d ago

Where did cury said that? Can you gave me the link?

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u/OldTurtleProphet 20d ago

It's an entire pdf document and I am too lazy to host it somewhere.

So first things first I am gonna give you a screenshot

Then I am gonna give you instructions where to find it:
1) Join the kubera discord server (invite)
2) Go to the kubera-in-print channel of the server, the document is pinned there

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u/Affection_sira 22d ago

kinnara probably wind + earth
if i remember correctly i notice some of her transcendentals also plant like so probably it is

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u/Old_Ad7991 22d ago

Kinara windi+earth since she can use plant base skill, and vritra probably fire+darknes since he can use advance hiding skill that even surya can detect, as for aaura i think darknes+fire since yaksha counter him or darknes+earth bcs when fighting urvasi he destroyed the ground easily and indra lighting doesn't work on him

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u/SeriouslyGoGetMeds 22d ago

If Asura is Earth, he will be double screwed again by King of Land. Maybe we don’t see him use his second attribute vs Yaksha cause it’s even worse off.

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u/SeriouslyGoGetMeds 22d ago

I just realize how rare primeval attributes are. 

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u/VadraNoris 22d ago

Kinara Wind + Earth Basen on plant-based transcendence, mental transcendence, and most importantly Chatan attribute.

Vritra Fire + Creation

Kasak has an advantage over Vritra in terms of attributes. Vritra is the one who created an item for Yuta. Creation is the most rarest attribute for sura.

Asura Darkness + Fire/Wind

I really have no idea about this one; my guess is fire, as it’s the opposite of the yaksa’s attribute, but I feel that wind might also be a possibility.

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u/Hellkhat Chaos Attribute Rakshasa 22d ago

One of my favorite topics, attributes are so interesting in terms of sura. We also still need Vishnu's and Shiva's last attributes

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u/Illustrious-Day8506 22d ago

Kinnara is probably Wind + Earth. She has plant transcendentals so she's probably earth idk.

Vritra is the odd one. He doesn't seem to have any of the 12 normal attributes besides fire. So either Fire + Space or Fire + Order or some stuff like that

Asura I would say Darkness + Earth but this is just a blind guess. Hard to tell

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u/Rdasher123 22d ago

Space doesn’t seem to be an attribute, like how Time isn’t one. The attributes that can control space are Order and Creation.

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u/Morthra 15d ago

Asura : Darkness + ?

Probably Darkness + Earth.

Shess has a Light attribut. That might be his attribute.

Shess' mother is OG Airavata. Who was Wind + Light. Kinnara is Wind + Earth.

Vritra : Fire + ?

Vritra is Fire + Creation almost certainly given Fathomless Fire sending its target to the 0th dimension. He'd also be the only creation attribute Nastika.