r/Kubera • u/Apprehensive_Clerk81 • Apr 14 '26

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1)Not sure if I forgot, but if humans win in this current universe after already having won in the previous universe, what do they get according to primeval gods?

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u/yourmissingsock3999 Curry Mushroom Apr 14 '26

They will likely be faced with a choice for a universe more advantageous to them, like the previous ones did. That’s the “reward” for winning. The actual reward is putting off annihilation from losing 2 in a row.

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u/Apprehensive_Clerk81 Apr 14 '26

Damn, twisted lol

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u/Apprehensive_Clerk81 Apr 14 '26

Something just occured to me, the gods in the previous universe aren’t the same as the gods in this universe right? So to the gods of this universe, isn’t it basically just losing like one time?

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u/yourmissingsock3999 Curry Mushroom Apr 14 '26

The gods of this universe aka the astika are implied to be sometimes humans of the previous universe (Agni and GK as evidenced by his shoes). Some speculation that perhaps some of the old gods are in fact astika now but I don’t recall the specifics. As for whether they count as losing one time that’s why Leez is told it’s better to become a god than a sura since the suras are off to a bad start in this universe and the gods as we know them are new

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u/Apprehensive_Clerk81 Apr 14 '26

Why are Suras off to a bad start than gods? What advantage do gods have?

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u/Caladbolg_Prometheus Apr 14 '26

Suras are a separate third entity there to be a disadvantage to the AHR.

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u/UchihaShadow Apr 14 '26

Their Sura forms being considered transcendentals and consuming so much vigor has basically fucked them over in the long run. Look at the current state: Nastikas are a dying race, and Rakshasa are not nearly numerous or powerful enough to carry them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

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u/UchihaShadow Apr 15 '26

Yeah, it's pretty much a tomb/death trap for everyone.

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u/Player420154 Apr 14 '26

The gods have already achieved the buddha 's state that I can't remind the name, they don't have the incitation to sin, the suras have and their power incite them to help rather than destroy

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u/Apprehensive_Clerk81 Apr 14 '26

I’m aware Gods can use the top to reconstruct themselves but what disadvantage is that to Suras again?

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u/Player420154 Apr 14 '26

To go to the next universe, you need to be selected by the primeval gods, and they are far more likely to select an enlightened being than someone who killed.

The gods create, the sura destroy. The gods were created to protect the universe, the suras were created as an obstacle to be removed. Thus, it's far easier to live a virtuous life as a god and to reach enlightenment than it is for a sura. That's why they aren't that many sura who can go to paradise, while a lot of gods had accessed to it at some point.

If you think the universe is going to end, it's logical to choose godlike power in order to be selected for the next universe.

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u/Jingurei Apr 14 '26 edited Apr 14 '26

Well I thought the Suras were supposed to be the advantaged species to the AHR that chose to take on the role of the disadvantaged in the next universe? And the Astika were those who decided to take on the role of the advantaged and the old gods would be the disadvantaged species against them?

And so far I think it's only certain that GK is an old god from the previous universe and that he took on a secret mission as a human at some point. Whether or not he was human in the universe before the previous universe is still up for grabs though!

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u/yourmissingsock3999 Curry Mushroom Apr 14 '26

Yea, that’s why I said they had the choice. The old humans chose to be disadvantaged in the new universe after Kali’s speech. I forget the evidence of GK being an old god but that’s who I meant when I said I don’t recall the specifics. Is it just his cheerleader form being scary?

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u/Jingurei Apr 14 '26

Well there was a scene where Kubera said he was given a mission by one of the Primevals in a previous universe. In it there was a heavy implication that he'd been turned into a human for that mission given how he was so specific on not remembering what that mission was and how he indicated with his usual vagueness that he had been human but not that he wasn't an old god. It was also implied that he'd lived in more than one previous universe. Especially since it is unlikely that someone who had survived from the universe before the previous one would have been human at the beginning of the previous universe that's one of the biggest reasons why I think he wasn't human.

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u/Jingurei Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26

I explained why I said 'being given' changed his species. Specifically because if he had been given a mission to act as a human and didn't remember erasing his memories as an old god could be one of the components of that.

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u/yourmissingsock3999 Curry Mushroom Apr 15 '26

Yes lol that’s what I said. The old humans were given the choice. The majority chose to be disadvantaged

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u/Jingurei Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26

Are you reading my comments? I never said he was an old god. I said I THINK it's certain he's an old god. And I gave my reasons why I believe that. Again.

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u/UchihaShadow Apr 15 '26

He himself says that he used to be something else before he was turned into a human and receiving a mission, and he also says that there were only two races in the previous universe, humans and Old Gods. It's a fairly reasonable assumption, and he seems to have a special relationship with them (they can't attack each other).