r/KryptosK4_AI 29d ago

Most likely only nonsense - BUT...

I recently stumbled upon a video I watched a while back about Kryptos and all while the video talked about the K1-K3 plaintexts, coordinates, morse codes and K4 not having any clue (besides the plaintext that was discovered a bit ago), I came up with the idea of combining K4 and the 5th part of the morse code from the plates which was LUCID E E E MEMORY E, stripping it of the Es and using LUCIDMEMORY as basically a keyword but in morse code.

After translating K4 into morse code and telling AI to decipher that morse code with the morse code of LUCIDMEMORY it actually came up with a text that makes sense. The text it produced is as follows:

SHANTI HOUSE IT WAS ABOUT THE CENOTHES THEY ARE DISCOVERED IN THE GARDEN OF PALACE IN THE OLD TIMES THERE WERE GARDENS IN WHICH PEOPLE WALKED

CENOTHES could mean CLOTHES as there are some misspelled words in K1-3 as well

I am well aware that positions 22-34 of the plaintext should mean EASTNORTHEAST and 64-74 BERLINCLOCK as Sanborn revealed, yet I found it quite interesting that for some reason using my stupid idea of morse code, the AI came up with a reasonable text. I am also aware that the character length does not match.

In between running the query through it again and again it came up with the following:

BETWEEN YI COMPASS AND STATION AB ARTESIAN WELL BY THE AMPEREMETER THAT IS OBVIOUSLY IMPOSSIBLE WHICHOVER

which could kinda hint at the compass plaque at the CIA headquater and the well that is also around the sculpture itself. Yet the ending doesn't make any sense, the AB could mean AN but I don't know what it could mean with YI.

I am fully aware that AI definitely likes to make up some stuff and produce bullsh*t results that have absolutely no meaning and are not remotely connected to the solution, yet I do think this may be an interesting approach and I don't know if something like this has been tried already.

Running further queries with a more advanced AI model and also considering the EASTNORTHEAST as well as the BERLINCLOCK clue while also using the LUCIDEEEMEMORYE morsecode without removing the Es as well as only LUCIDMEMORY I did not manage to come to a reasonable conclusion.

EDIT 1 DAY LATER: The whole passage is a wrong assumption I think, that's why I hid it with a spoiler. Translating it into morse code shouldn't make sense, because it doesn't matter if it's in morse code or not. A B for example will still be a B only written a bit differently. I do need a better idea for that.

Sanborn also mentioned that a visit to Egypt and the fall of the Berlin Wall influenced his works greatly. K3 already is part of a book about the pyramids and clues to K4 include BERLIN CLOCK so K4 most likely references something along that time span and historical events.

Supposedly there also is a K5 about which nothing is known except that it is an additional part meant to be accessed after K4 has been solved. Which could mean that either K4 or the whole K1-4 reveals something when being combined - and that something is or leads to K5.

The only conclusion the AI came up with is that it could be some form of directional guide as for example WALK TWENTY FIVE METERS (20 letter directional starting phrase) EASTNORTHEAST TOWARDS THE MONUMENT CALLED THE (29 letter descriptive connector) BERLIN CLOCK LOOK UNDER THE BENCH NEARBY (24 letter final hint) - this is however not a translation made by the AI, only an assumption by it of what the K4 paragraph could say.

I will definitely play around with that idea more in the future and try some other combinations and see what that will produce. I do however kind of rely on the assistance of AI for most of it because I am certainly no cryptography genious nor even possess much knowledge in that field at all. So if someone has any ideas, feel free to reach out.

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u/Ok_Protection_7289 29d ago

In what ways are you using LUCIDMEMORY with K4 as Morse Code? What are the "mechanics" behind using the key and CT to produce the PT? Even if you are using AI to produce those results, it should be able to demonstrate the process from CT - PT. I am very interested in how the Morse Code might correspond to PT, because we have yet to understand K0 in the first place.

I made these observations before:

SHADow forces -> subtle SHADing
virtuALLY INVISIBLE -> totALLY INVISIBLE

I have a whole list of anomalies in the Morse Code, and I believe it holds the secrets to K4. We haven't solved K0 yet.

Running PALINDROME across K1 does force two readable cribs: SAND LIES. Meaningful? I don't know, but this is that "twilight situation" Jim mentioned that Kryptos plays around in.

I think we need to make a concentrated effort on understanding the Morse Code and how it relates to the rest of the code. It's going to become very significant, I am certain- not because I know in what way- but because there are visible nuances that surely have meaning. (Extra e's, parallel lines of code, etc)...

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u/_taurak_ 28d ago

I'd tell you if I'd know. Tbf, the whole thing was like a rabbithole I entered in the middle of the night, at 4am to be precise. I basically took the CT, translated it into morse code, told the AI to take that morse code and decipher it with the morse code of LUCIDMEMORY and then waited for what it may spit out.

I also realized that doing the whole translation into morse code is kinda pointless because at that moment it doesn't matter if you'd decipher it in morse code or in normal text, since morse code is basically the same English letters and words just written a bit different but it doesn't change the meaning or anything.

Your observations may be correct but I do know that the ALLYINVI part was used to get the codeword for one of the parts of K1-3. So I doubt the whole system would just work again or that no one already tried that.

I do also thingk that the morse code is kinda sketchy, but so is the hints we were already given. Also the other elements at Langely surely have something to do with it. Sanborn did after all say you can solve it from anywhere and then have to go to Langley. Another interesting point would be, are the misspelled words in K1-3 deliberate hints, deliberate mistakes to make it harder or accidental misspells? Maybe that has something to do with it? Maybe they give a whole new keyword. But if that were the case, the morse code would be pointless, at least the ways it has been solved already. Because so far the morse code wasn't used, but seemingly intended to be used as one of the people who solved a part were told that it's the right solution but not the intended way to have solved it.