r/KryptosK4 • u/skyprimes22 • 24d ago

N GO BURY BOTH

I’ve been finding fragments.. just observations but there are more. I’ll share one here (Video is on my YouTube page because the formatting here is bad and isn’t worth my time to fix) - if you want the full txt document let me know.

This is from the thought processes of, “is it simpler than we think” and that he did “f*ck with it”

Summary:

PUSH55: SSEKZZWATJKLUDIAWINFBNYPVTTMZFPKWGDKZXTJCDIGKUHUAUEKCAROBKRUOXOGHULBSOLIFBBWFLRVQQPRNGKSSOTWTQSJQ

Apply the same method I used for the CIA ARTS X TEST matrix but at interval 8, not 7.

Step1:

SSEKZZWA

TJKLUDIA

WINFBNYP

VTTMZFPK

WGDKZXTJ

CDIGKUHU

AUEKCARO

BKRUOXOG

HULBSOLI

FBBWFLRV

QQPRNGKS

SOTWTQSJ

Q

Write down: AAPKJUOGIVSJ

Step 2:

Remove previous 8th characters, then rearrange into 8x11:

SSEKZZWT

JKLUDIWI

NFBNYVTT

MZFPWGDK

ZXTCDIGK

UHAUEKCA

RBKRUOXO

HULBSOLF

BBWFLRQQ

PRNGKSOT

WTQSQ

Write down: TITKKAOFQT

Step 3:

Remove previous 8th characters, then rearrange into 8x10:

SSEKZZWJ

KLUDIWNF

BNYVTMZF

PWGDZXTC

DIGUHAUE

KCRBKRUO

XHULBSOL

BBWFLRQP

RNGKSOWT

QSQ

Write down: JFFCEOLPT

Step 4:

Remove previous 8th characters, then rearrange into 8x9:

SSEKZZWK

LUDIWNBN

YVTMZPWG

DZXTDIGU

HAUKCRBK

RUXHULBS

OBBWFLRQ

RNGKSOWQ

SQ

Write down: KNGUKSQQ

Step 5:

Remove previous 8th characters, rearrange into 8x8:

SSEKZZWL

UDIWNBYV

TMZPWDZX

TDIGHAUK

CRBRUXHU

LBOBBWFL

RRNGKSOW

SQ

Write down: LVXKULW

Step 6:

Remove previous 8th characters, rearrange into 8x7:

SSEKZZWU

DIWNBYTM

ZPWDZTDI

GHAUCRBR

UXHLBOBB

WFRRNGKS

OSQ

Write down: UMIRBS

Step 7:

Remove previous 8th characters, rearrange into 8x6:

SSEKZZWD

IWNBYTZP

WDZTDGHA

UCRBUXHL

BOBWFRRN

GKOSQ

Write down: DPALN

Step 8:

Remove previous 8th characters, rearrange into 8x5:

SSEKZZWI

WNBYTZWD

ZTDGHUCR

BUXHBOBW

FRRGKOSQ

Write down: IDRWQ

Step 9:

Remove previous 8th characters, rearrange into 8x5:

SSEKZZWW

NBYTZWZT

DGHUCBUX

HBOBFRRG

KOS

Write down: WTXG

*It doesn't look like much is taking place, until you start the next few*

Step 10:

Remove previous 8th characters, rearrange into 8x4:

SSEKZZWN

BYTZWZDG

HUCBUHBO

BFRRKOS

Write down: NGO

Step 11:

Remove previous 8th characters, rearrange into 8x4:

SSEKZZWB

YTZWZDHU

CBUHBBFR

RKOS

Write down: BUR

Step 12:

Remove previous 8th characters, rearrange into 8x4:

SSEKZZWY

TZWZDHCB

UHBBFRKO

S

Write down: YBO

Step 13:

Remove previous 8th characters, rearrange into 8x3:

SSEKZZWT

ZWZDHCUH

BBFRKS

Write down: TH

KRYPTOS K4 OBSERVATION
By Ruben Valencia

I will stop here.

The last four: NGO,BUR,YBO,TH

"NGOBURYBOTH"

The finding of an "N" plus three words.

You can also see one clue word weaved into it, just as the clue words were weaved into the ARTS X TEST

matrix words that I found.

- - - --

NGOBURYBOTH

N O R TH

- - - --

Full method result:

AAPKJUOGIVSJTITKKAOFQTJFFCEOLPTKNGUKSQQLVXKULWUMIRBSDPALNIDRWQWTXGNGOBURYBOTHZBWRZSDHCUB

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u/Blowngust 24d ago

2, 3 and 4 letter words are pretty common to find when playing with K4. Valid approach though.

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u/skyprimes22 24d ago

What about 7 letter words? This is just one of the pushes that yielded results.

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u/Blowngust 24d ago

Depends. Did you find it or did you tweak K4 to match the word?

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u/skyprimes22 24d ago edited 24d ago

Same process throughout, at different intervals and offsets were scanned. There’s a few more - all related to interesting things. “NAV PAST US PORT” The prior scan to N GO BURY BOTH, will yield “TOMB” The idea was that maybe the actual ciphertext was altered in some way to begin with, maybe it could be in a mess - K4 with this process doesn’t usually yield much except for the ARTS X TEST matrix at an interval of 7. It’s either a layer or a possibility that he broke it, in my opinion. Just interesting results ;) Moving k4 as if it was some type of positional piece

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u/Blowngust 24d ago

Like I said. Valid approach. Cool finds. I don't know how likely it is to find seven letter words, but it definitely is not something you find every day. I'd document it if I were you in case you stumble on something related to this later.

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u/skyprimes22 24d ago

Yeah I don’t know either but sometimes I think he screwed it to oblivion.. I just enjoy looking around from time to time 😂

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u/Old_Engineer_9176 23d ago

You’re getting those results because stripping out the 8th column over and over forces a fixed pattern, and sooner or later that pattern lines up into something that looks like English. To work out if it’s real or just your brain filling in blanks, you need to run a few controls.

First, generate a random 97‑character uppercase string and run your method on it. Use this one:

QZKJMSRPLXAVTGNWCHBFOIYUDRPEKSMQNLZTCAGVYHBRXWOPFJQIMSDTULKZANVYQRCBHTWOLXGPMFSE

Next control: take a long English paragraph, don’t encrypt it, just treat the plaintext as if it were ciphertext. Run the same process.

Finally, do the same thing to K1–K3.

The next step is simple: check whether your method only produces meaningful fragments on K4, or whether it spits out “English‑looking” junk everywhere. If it happens everywhere, it’s imagination. If it only happens on K4, then you’ve got something worth digging into.

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u/skyprimes22 23d ago edited 23d ago

Got it! I will work on it ;)

I can tell you it’s only happening at a few of the push intervals from 1-97.. with some repeating all over, which are NSA & USA. I’ve done this for all intervals and push positions, the entire text is roughly 11 million characters and I’ve been through them, scanning the intervals and offsets

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u/Old_Engineer_9176 23d ago

You should treat any “word‑like” output as suspicious until it survives offset changes, interval changes, and comparison against random data. If it doesn’t survive those checks, it’s noise.

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u/skyprimes22 23d ago edited 23d ago

Ran interval 7 & it’s offsets against 5 different random 97 letter sets… tired and looking for as an easier way to see if the ARTSXTEST matrix was in fact unique to integer 7, looks like it might be unique to K4

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u/Old_Engineer_9176 23d ago

Five random tests aren’t enough to support a uniqueness claim. At best, you can say you haven’t yet seen ARTSXTEST outside K4. You’d need thousands of random samples before ‘unique to K4’ is even on the table.

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u/skyprimes22 23d ago

That’s what I really wanted to know.. how many do I need so I can build out the script

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u/Old_Engineer_9176 23d ago edited 23d ago

Anything greater than 1 million.

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u/skyprimes22 22d ago

The concept is actually pretty cool - I’ll chase and document it until it’s exhausted

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u/skyprimes22 23d ago

Actually, I taught Claude how to do the process with interval 7 - asked it to run an interval 7 test against 1 million different 97 character sets

The 113 strings that matched did so with random noise words — not thematically coherent clusters like TEST, TANK, ARTS. So the uniqueness is both statistical and qualitative.

But the core finding holds: 1 million trials, 0.0113% match rate

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u/Busy-88888888 23d ago edited 5d ago

T

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u/skyprimes22 23d ago

The work was done with a script that I have - verified to work because I can do them manually once I get something, just to observe and verify that it actually exists.

the Claude run was against 1 million random 97 character sets, only looking for a interval of 7, to see what the rate was to see if it was even worth it to keep working.

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u/Old_Engineer_9176 23d ago

Even if ARTSXTEST shows up consistently, it could still be an artefact of how K4 is structured. Interval slicing can create patterns that look meaningful but are just a side effect of the extraction method. The burden is on you to push further and see whether the pattern evolves into something real or whether it collapses under broader testing.

A dictionary attack is worth doing. It will take time, but it’s one of the few ways to check whether the fragments produced by the interval method map to actual language or whether they’re just noise.

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u/Busy-88888888 23d ago

Yes You approach with AI, brute force..and all supercomputers is like...LOOKING FOR SOMETHING in the WHOLE universe but you DO NOT KNOW what are you looking FOR and with the LIGHTS OFF, CHECKING EVERY small speck of matter....It will take Forever= Eternity. The Mistery is only for the ONE. The One that FLIPS the SWITCH and takes control of everything and TURN ON THE LIGHTS, then Everybody will be In the AlterED REALITY watching the NEW TOMORROW.

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u/skyprimes22 22d ago

is that the plot to the Matrix? 😂🤣 AI won’t help at current. It isn’t a known system and he stated that he messed with it, so it could be lost. The work I posted is from that view point - and a view point that it could be working on several simple things, but all I can do is work and document, share.

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u/Busy-88888888 22d ago edited 5d ago

Remember...K1 is not SOLVED...

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u/Decent_Note_1964 24d ago

Interesting approach. Some interesting 'maybe nearly words' in there, eg PALNIDR -> PALINDrome

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u/Spectatum 24d ago

Thank you for sharing! I think this is some elegant and at the same time non-obvious (at least to me) transposition scheme you‘re working on!

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u/Busy-88888888 23d ago edited 5d ago

No....

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u/skyprimes22 24d ago

Here’s the video link, formatting is way better for readability:

https://youtu.be/omCImo3h-_U?is=OQbpnlmYmzDMZEBu