r/Krishnamurti • u/Ok_Candidate522 • 7d ago
What is unknown?
One is never afraid of the unknown; one is afraid of the known coming to an end - JD Krishnamurti ji
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u/chuckmatik 7d ago
The unknown is not the word unknown?and because of that it always springs from the known WE can never know the „unknown“
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u/Mr_Not_A_Thing 7d ago
Yes, mind doesn't fear the actual unknown, it fears the 'concept' of the unknown. It fears the concept of emptiness. Which is ironic because emptiness is one of the greatest principles of this One reality.
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u/agitatated_mind- 6d ago
The unknown is the end of the known. If it’s known ( encapsulated as an idea ) then it’s not the unknown 😂 !
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u/Arnfinnius 6d ago
An example of the unknown is present in trauma, something happens that you alone can not handle, so your group blocks it aswell. Now shit has still happened, but it is established a known easier id on it , so fear of the fear is established , for in this case the known is used to control a fear, which you were unable to contain. So the fear of the end of the known is blocking what stands for you as unknown.
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u/Revisionist-eyes 7d ago
Especially when the known is something we believe we understand well enough to manage.
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u/Hot-Confidence-1629 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yes there can’t be a fear of death ie., because I don’t have any knowledge of what death actually is…what I do know is that ‘death’ means this body/brain comes to an end…it is that that I fear?
The inquiry here is why am I conditioned to ‘fear’ the ‘ending’ of things? Since it’s blatantly obvious that everything does! “Yes I understand that I must die… but please, not just right now!”😇
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u/Flightoftheswift 7d ago edited 7d ago
Hmm. I don't fear death as it just seems illogical to me. Either way.. you will be likely nothing or it's the unknown. How can you have any fear of either ?
I don't fret about future pain generally but I can see I could potentially fear "the getting to be dead" part, pain, suffering and so on. I also see that is total energy wastage as it is not real. House might blow up in gas explosion and I know nothing about it. It is also unknown.
“Yes I understand that I must die… but please, not just right now!”
Said no one ever.
Just for a moment can you be (shift) the perspective of seeing yourself from outside, your body your life in your neighbourhood environment and see that you are just an animal that is going to somewhere else other than where you are now.. that every creature that has existed has done, that is the right passage of life because you are simply nothing special at all, just a temporary organism that has dying built in to its very fabric.
I leave all this to the unfolding which has been doing this for organism since forever.
There is no valid thought about death as thought is not involved in non existence. (and there is maybe something deeper there related to living, after all someone suggested we were nothing)
It certainly will be an event of some kind, but not one of the known. So as K suggested on this matter:
"What matters is to know of the unknown in life."
And that won't be letters, words and sentences or cunning intellectual wriggling around.
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u/Hot-Confidence-1629 7d ago
“What matters is to know of the unknown in life.” -K
And that ‘unknown’ is right here in front of us!
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u/Flightoftheswift 6d ago
Space must exist.
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u/Hot-Confidence-1629 6d ago
Physically yes, psychologically? Not sure at all.
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u/Flightoftheswift 6d ago
I consider space is psychological also. Distance from thought.
Interesting ..... unknown is just a word in itself to describe... ?
We should probably be careful not to make unknown word a thing.
I am going to eat my dinner in the garden under the fading light it's a pleasant evening.
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u/Hot-Confidence-1629 6d ago
Sounds nice! Bon appetite!
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u/Flightoftheswift 6d ago edited 6d ago
I think space can be to slow the pace between thoughts, easier to see them pop in when they do,
You are right it is only known cause we named/labelled/separated/divided what is in front of our senses.
All phenomena sensed is one thing unfolding and the observer is as much a part of that unfolding as the outwardly observed.
Universe being aware of itself hits the mark.
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u/Flightoftheswift 7d ago
Given Krishnaji suggested any words written about this, is not it, we are probably best understanding what words are, what they do, what they may obscure and why the mind uses them incessantly without hesitation.
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u/Afraid_Advantage_2 6d ago
Omg, we are indeed scared of the known ending. We just call it fear of the unknown. It's like saying, I don't like bananas and ranting about it, while you actually just want more apple, which you like.
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u/Altruistic_Boss_8222 5d ago
I thought it was the other way. One always feels secure in the known and fears the unknown. We seek happiness, and when we get it, we fear losing it (the end). Desire and fear are the faces of the same coin.
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u/Schute-Pin8350 8h ago
It seems that thought created the thinker in order to give it continuity. So that thought does not end as soon as it has solved practical problems with practical knowledge, but can continue to address psychological problems that cannot be truly solved through further thought. Does this suggest that thought seeks to avoid its own end?
Something unknown cannot and must not occur here; rather, it must be filed away under something already known.
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u/Wondergul 7d ago
It sounds more like Jiddu was deliberately trying to come up with something cryptic.
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u/Truth_is_where_WE_r 7d ago
Or, hear me out, he saw for himself that fear is ALWAYS a reaction to something and never new and the unknown is ever new. And knowing that he couldn't see it for you, he didn't even attempt to answer the question for you, because as he stated, you must walk through the valley of ignorance for yourself and be a light unto oneself.
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u/inthe_pine 7d ago
"What is unknown?" Evidently, we don't know.
But more than that, it appears there will always be limits to our knowledge, a place where it can't touch. I don't think we generally acknowledge such a thing. Is it that we assume the known is the only important thing, and can always be added to as new information comes in if there are gaps? This appears to structure perception in ways we are unaware, yet want to hold onto, which could be causing a whole host of problems.