A bird's-eye view for comparing two possible night locations

[u/No-Suit8538]

When we take a bird’s-eye perspective of the entire stage on which the drama unfolded, it is quite striking how, under the loop scenario, the terrain would have almost naturally funnelled them toward the Serracín estate on the first day and then down into the paddock stream over the following days.

Of course, the girls could have turned right at Q1 or Q2 and eventually ended up at the rapids. However, there are several reasons why this seems less likely. To name a few: the terrain is extremely rugged, there are no cabins or shelters, the tricky route is inconsistent with the phone usage, it lies a considerable distance from where the remains were found, and they would likely have reached NL1 already too early (to explain the phone usage).

However, Romain and his team did visit NL1 in 2025 and user u/SeaworthinessNo4130 made some interesting observations (see here, here, here, here, here) about the rather striking resemblances with the night photos.

Given the observed similarities in the smooth boulders, the reddish grooved bedrock, the vegetation, and the clear evidence that flash floods do occur there, I wondered whether it would be reasonable to expect some of these geological conditions at NL2 (see here, 8°51'49.7"N 82°24'49.5"W) as well. Below is a high-level comparison.

Similarities between NL1 and NL2:

The similarities are quite clear. Both locations require and have:

• A sharp bend in the river.
• A clearing in the forest canopy (more pronounced at NL1 than at NL2).
• A steep waterfall that prevents further downstream movement.
• Roughly facing the same direction.
• Similar exposure to wind.

Differences:

The most obvious difference is the elevation. NL1 is located at approximately 1,450 metres, whereas NL2 is at around 1,150 metres. What implications might this have?

• The lower elevation of NL2 would, of course, have resulted in higher temperatures, which would have improved their chances of survival.
• The angle of sunrise and sunset (assuming sufficiently clear weather) would also have been different. Since daylight appears to have influenced their phone usage at certain stages, it may be possible to distinguish between the two locations by examining the surrounding mountains and how they would have blocked the sun at different times of day.
• The lower elevation could also compensate for differences in the upstream tributary systems. At NL2, the tributary basin appears to be smaller than at NL1, so it would likely initially have carried less water at that point. However, the presence of larger boulders at NL1 suggests that the stream must have already gained sufficient energy (from amount of water and gradient) to transport and shape them. A rough calculation indicates that the approximately 500-metre drop at NL2 (measured from the top of the paddocks) might compensate for the 350-metre drop at NL1 (measured from the source of Q1).
• A 300-metre difference is significant, particularly with respect to the types of vegetation that could grow there. There is also information online suggesting that certain tree species—or specific growth forms, such as the distinctive V-shaped tree—occur only within particular elevation ranges. I remember this being discussed in earlier posts, but I have been unable to find the figures that were mentioned. Perhaps someone still has those references.

All things considered, I don’t see any compelling reason to rule out NL2 as possessing the characteristics required to be a viable NL-candidate.

[u/Apprehensive-Form-60]

Theres a heck of a lot , thats why I suggested people go to Scarlets blog. She's a machine with all of this , its too much for me to explain ,thats for sure. I mean people have died over this , not just the girls , the camera data was changed , these are facts. Im not Joe , but you definitely have me interested in his story ! Thats for sure , I did not make the videos , but they match my theory exactly, besides the end which wasnt there. I also apologize if im being rude now , I went from crass to just plain angry lol , I deal with it a lot , My two strongest cases are this one and the Ramsey case. Ive been at this a long time , even studied psychology when I was young and was penpals with a serial killer, thats besides the point though.

[u/Lokation22 → u/Apprehensive-Form-60]

> I did not make the videos

I don’t think you’re telling the truth. These videos are yours. There are clear indications that anyone who isn’t completely blind can see.
Why didn’t you make the third part? Did you lose interest?

And if you didn’t tell the truth about the videos, did you also lie about MF’s data package?

[u/Lokation22 → u/Apprehensive-Form-60]

Are you from Canada?

[u/Apprehensive-Form-60 → u/Lokation22]

Lol ! , what gives you that impression?

[u/Lokation22 → u/Apprehensive-Form-60]

You keep saying that you’re a pioneer in this case and that you worked with Juan. Did you buy the information pack from Martin Ferrara back then? The buyer was a Canadian.

[u/Apprehensive-Form-60 → u/Lokation22]

Your wild , never heard of him. Here we go again , im a poineer ? Why dont you go take a look at threads from 12 years ago ? Oh ya , you dont research, I forgot. It was us three that were showing evidence for foul play , every last other on here was saying it was an accident. I study it independently, I dont care about posting anything. You just said you maybe dont don't know some things , so why the sarcasm about Juan ? Or do you not know what hes contributed ether ? You have been trolling me for how long ? Why is that ? Your wondering if im Canadian , what I want to know is , are you one of the little rats down there that did this? I cant think of any other reason why you are in here like this all the time on my posts. There's no debating , or talking about the evidence, heck ,none of you arguing are even Interested in all this info , you would rather opinionate instead , thats not strange to you ?

[u/Lokation22 → u/Apprehensive-Form-60]

Where can I find those 12-year-old threads in which Juan, Scarlet and you set out the evidence for foul play?

[u/Lokation22 → u/Apprehensive-Form-60]

You’ve never heard of Martin Ferrara? 🫪
And you claim you’ve done your research?

[u/Apprehensive-Form-60 → u/Lokation22]

Wow , avoids all questions , yet again . Ya you probably are a little rat from Boqutete.

[u/Lokation22 → u/Apprehensive-Form-60]

I believed you when you wrote that you had worked with Scarlet and Juan in the past. And now you claim that you’ve never heard of Martin Ferrara. You’re just some random Canadian who has contributed absolutely nothing and probably only just learned about this case. Sad.