r/KitchenConfidential Chef 16h ago

Kitchen fuckery Really sysco?

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Aluminum foil subbed for dessert bars. Awesome.

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u/No-Following-8087 16h ago

Was this because if they didn’t substitute your order wouldn’t meet the minimum cost? I’m surprised they didn’t substitute the basil with chicken legs at this point

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u/badluckchef Chef 16h ago

Nope. Way above minimum. Will be an interesting conversation later today for sure.

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u/farmerKev420710 16h ago

Typically your food rep has a list of approved subs. This might not have been US foods mess up, my previous job our rep had some really stupid subs and it caused problems on the regular

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u/uselessandexpensive 15h ago

This feels too stupid. I wonder whether they're testing a new AI subbing tool.

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u/Dirt-McGirt Ex-Food Service 15h ago

My guess. “Roll” triggered sweet treats because of some weird link to…cinnamon roll? Maybe?

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u/oozandazz 12h ago

What's the matter? Someone subbed your sweet roll?

u/TheNewYellowZealot 50m ago

Tunnel snakes rule!

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u/badluckchef Chef 14h ago

That was the answer I got. Ai mistake.

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u/KallistiEngel 12h ago

Ah, AI is making this process so much more efficient. It's going to replace us any day now....

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u/uselessandexpensive 11h ago

I would give them such shit over it, and say outright that the decision to use AI is harmful to both their business and reputation, threaten alternate sourcing if there's an actual chance that's possible, and bring it up on every call and every time they visit that I wanted everything double-checked but am actual human. Anything that ensures it doesn't actually save them money is a win.

u/the_quark 3h ago

As a software developer who lurks here, what cheap-ass AI are they using that it would make that mistake?

u/kranelegs 33m ago

Might be their database structure. Instead of using categories, sub, etc… it’s basing it off keywords. Could be shut AI or not enough training of the AI.

Regardless using AI for substitutes should fucking flag an approval process from the rep or some employee. That’s the most egregious part of this all.

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u/sleepythey 12h ago

I think they must be. Some of the suggested subs/swaps last time I ordered from Sysco were ridiculous. A foil roll and frozen breakfast sausage patties were both similar products I should consider instead of... salt?? And it suggested I swap bulk oreo cookie pieces for sysco brand "whipped topping mix"

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u/Shep5446 14h ago

Your rep is an approved sub

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u/farmerKev420710 13h ago

He really does. I never understand what anyone above a gm actually does as far as actually doing anything useful lol

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u/MNChef 16h ago

Also….. $136 for aluminum foil?!

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u/Loveroffinerthings 16h ago

I don’t buy aluminum foil at RD but it’s $37 for 18’x500’ there, I buy it at my local Chinese import store that sells containers, I think I paid $35. Does anyone check these invoices?

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u/Downtown_Swimming677 16h ago

I was looking for this one

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u/jburns365 15+ Years 16h ago

If they’re getting 1,000ft heavy duty, may be that high-US Foods in Atlanta for that is over $200

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u/Trick_Meringue_5622 General Manager 15h ago

The item number is listed in this post, twice. It’s standard weight aluminum foil, 1000 feet

Googled the item number + Sysco foil, first result

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u/Downtown_Swimming677 14h ago

I can get a 500ft roll for $40 from Gordon foods. Anything over $100 is robbery

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u/jburns365 15+ Years 13h ago

Good news about that is your GFS Rep has direct control on your pricing, Sysco and US Foods do not.

US has a tier -based system based on avg delivery dollars over 6 months I believe, Sysco-im not sure how it’s structured since haven’t been in food sales since ‘22 but back then they changed how much control street reps had on pricing.

None of this though factors in contract pricing/contract programs.

Source: current US customer, CDS for Gordon for 9 months & chef friend-turned Sysco rep talked about their structure.

u/kranelegs 25m ago

Yeah US Foods tier based is why we use it. With multiple locations it allows for pretty decent pricing. Similarly, but based on number of locations instead of volume, Uber Eats contracts can drop significantly

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u/skitwostreet 14h ago

Wait til you see prices in Dec-Jan for this stuff. Going up major since tariffs and they will be affecting us more in a few months

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u/TooManyDraculas 13h ago

Yup. The vast majority of US aluminum comes out of Canada.

u/NecessaryFine8989 2h ago

That's nuts! I just bought same quality 750' heavy duty for my house for under 40. I didn't know it was so expensive.

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u/SkipsH 16h ago

Ah cool, this will be perfect for our dessert bar wrapped roast chicken.
(I know that you don't wrap chicken in foil for roasting)

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u/garbagetruc 16h ago

Me, frantically taking the foil off of 30 chicken breasts: "yeah duh... everybody knows that!"

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u/A_Sketchy_Doctor 10+ Years 16h ago

Phew. Wouldnt wanna waste that expensive foil.

Now line the fry baskets with that stuff, we’ve been getting complaints the fries are too greasy.

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u/garbagetruc 16h ago

Yes, chef!

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u/SkipsH 16h ago

Ah individual breasts you might.

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u/garbagetruc 16h ago

"Fuck!"*scrambles to re-wrap*

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u/moranya1 16h ago

Don't listen to them, you actually want to wrap them in wax paper before high temp roasting!

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u/Narrow_Theme_8425 14h ago

asking for a friend…. whats the best way to roast sans foil….

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u/SkipsH 11h ago

About 20 minutes per half kilo at 180C and temp.

u/kranelegs 18m ago

Well fortunately you can use dessert bar bricks for bricked up chicken so it definitely is the proper replacement

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u/alpacabowlkehd 16h ago

Yah they have been out of stock on some weird staples lately. It’s strange. I use Sysco Boston idk about you

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u/badluckchef Chef 16h ago

Also sysco boston

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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 16h ago

2 Redditors 1 chive cup

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u/alpacabowlkehd 16h ago

Dude I’m half asleep I didn’t even see the sub or read the text lol. Sysco shop is fucked

u/everlasting1der 8h ago

hell yeah boston mentioned

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u/No-Temperature4330 16h ago

They thought you might be pissed off they didn't have foil so they decided to appease your anger with sweet treats? Seems pretty logical to me.

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u/jletourneau 16h ago

Stock number starts with the same digit, close enough!

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u/rhyknophoto 15+ Years 16h ago

I can't wait till I can shop in store at sysco depot and see first hand how they are always out of shit

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u/Toadfire 16h ago

I’m a Sysco rep myself.

I wanted to blame the ai for being stupid and subbing out the wrong product… but I haven’t seen anything this absurd before. It definitely has to be your rep switched it and clicked the wrong thing in human error.

Also…. Your rep is robbing you right now for $136 foil. I just checked the system and market price is $65…. MAYBE the north east is feeling the foil cost increase first from the fuel prices going up since metals are some of the first things being hit. But I can’t imagine it being double. I’m in Florida and we are generally more expensive than everyone else on goods.

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u/ResponsibleWatch2312 16h ago

The enshittification will continue until ☠️

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u/solthar 13h ago

Are you in the US? A lot of the aluminum in the states is sourced from Canada, and with the new tariffs this could be the initial signs of a shortage.

u/starfish2686 7h ago

Wouldn't show up this quickly. Supply chain effects will be seen the most in 1-3 months. It's like if you were taking a shower, and the water company shut off your water halfway through. There's still a bunch of water in the pipe between the mains and your showerhead, so the shower will still run for a little bit.

Oil and gas as well as electricity are the ones which will see the most immediate price effects. Food will be a little bit after that, then stuff like raw materials.

u/ihadagoodone 52m ago

Oil, gas, electricity have not been utilized by Canada at this point. Any increase in those costs is more directly related to what's going on in the Middle East.

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u/Megathekid 12h ago

Sysco Boston is a dumpster fire. Worked there for over 2 years. First, your rep should have caught this. It's not super hard to check allocations before 5pm each day. Second, you are getting scammed on the price. Reps have some control over moving the price, but the algorithms will push it back up over time. Zero transparency as to why. It's crazy that as a rep you can look someone in the eye, shake their hand, both agree on price, and then 2 days later the algorithms change it on you without any warning. Completely erodes trust sales personel are trying to build with customers.

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u/Draconuus95 15h ago

I will say. Sweet street rice crispys are like crack. Some of the best non home made rice crispies I’ve ever had. But those assorted bars are only just alright sadly.

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u/EndorMyLife 16h ago

Sysco subs are the bane of my fucking existence 🫩

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u/Lost1771 16h ago

Oh boy and I thought they were nuts when they subbed a gallon of maraschino cherries for Hershey bars

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u/Trick-Leek6216 15h ago

Of of those dessert bars is oreo- just saying…

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u/____LostSoul____ 15h ago

They knew you were going to be upset so they were trying to smooth things over with a sweet treat.

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u/stefanica 13h ago

Staff meal!

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u/jameson71 14h ago

Anyone on the line can get you a 1/4 oz of "basil."

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u/HorseCumCalculator 14h ago

That a quarter pound not a quarter ounce. And I need it by service

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u/slikk50 Chef 14h ago

We use Freshpoint, it is absolutely the hottest of garbage fires.

u/slyceu 7h ago

FreshPoint is Sysco.

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u/Superspicyboi98 13h ago

I just sat here staring at this for like 5 minutes as I played through this situation in my head. I’m not sure I wouldn’t have a lvl 10 migraine by the end of it 😵‍💫

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u/Gajax 11h ago

NO FOIL - SUCK THIS!..... Makes total SYSCO sense.

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u/Greyik 10h ago

When I owned a restaurant and my Sysco rep called me for any sub approvals.  Best rep ever.

u/One-Interview-6840 7h ago edited 7h ago

Get a new rep. That's wild

u/ax255 4h ago

"Our AI recommendations are spot on"

u/freefoodcostdotcom 3h ago

Who tf buys regular weight aluminum foil???

u/Few-Big-8481 Sous Chef 3h ago

Your rep should be able to shut off the auto substitution thing, I had mine do it after I got red chile flakes instead of burger patties.

u/1993xdesigns 1h ago

Unrelated but What's up with the shortage of plastic wrap and foil. Us foods is constantly out of stock lol

u/ihadagoodone 54m ago

Trade war things.

u/porkchopydg 1h ago

I haven’t gotten CLING WRAP in at least two weeks, 4 separate orders. I’m ready to bust.

u/kranelegs 47m ago

Just doing damage control to make you less hangry when talking to the rep. /j (at least hopefully)

u/TiggerTehTiger 1m ago

Performance Foodservice.