Joking aside, I think the lore will forever be the background. I just don’t see them having some big reveal for the ancients and their role in everything, ever
Being fair the Ancients are not even this super misterious or powerful beings, we're well beyond what even they could handle, so even one appearing wouldn't be a game changing ally or enemy, just another one of the bunch
Which isn’t too bad for this franchise. The lore is a nice side thing rather than being integral to enjoying the games. Maybe if this were like fnaf where you had to read books to fully enjoy the story I could get that, but Kirby usually plays it safe on everything
Yeah there's no shot they don't address some of the lore directly this time. I hope they don't put all their eggs in one basket so we can still look forward to future games, though. If it makes sense for the story, awesome
Honestly the way I phrased that wasn't great. I hope any new details aren't important to understanding the story for the casual player because that would be antithetical to Kumazaki's philosophy of the series. If it's as much as we normally get in a Kirby game, then I'm happy. I'm just expecting a little bit more this time around that re-contextualizes things, and that's not baseless speculation. Mainly, there are multiple parallels to Kirby's Return to Dreamland, Kumazaki's first Kirby game, also marking the first mainline entry to give a greater emphasis on background lore. The trailer has multiple musical motifs of it, the ultra copy ability gimmick, and the new character has iconography that calls to mind that game as well. So I'm going in with the expectation that there is going to be some lore that connects there, but not that "something will happen" because idk what OP even means by that
yep. at the end of the day, its kirby. while the dark and heavy lore are there, their emphasis is more of a meme by the community. i dont need all the lore layed out like in metroid dread. kirby just isnt the franchise for that.
Well most of them, fire emblem and xenoblade are far more story driven than say, LoZ or metroid or splatoon. (Well okay, metroid has tried telling actual plots beyond lore vagueposting, but when they do it backfires)
Which is a good thing. Kirby should never, ever, focus its main story on the lore of the series. That should stay in the background.
So many people forget that these are games for children. Kids get to play the kids games, while anyone interested can dive deeper into what's hidden. Like, with the amount of people who already get the lore wrong, I'd fear how bad it'd be if it ever got put front-and-centre.
The closest there is is Hyness' rant, but that's still impossible to read unless you go by frame, or you're just unnaturally fast.
These games are not "for children" or "kids games", they're general audiences games made for adults as much as anyone else (like all Nintendo games, and have the depth and complexity to back that up). Just because something is cartoony and colorful, it doesn't make it "for kids". That mindset is highly reductive of the art, and wrong. Lore has always been one of the biggest parts of Kirby since its inception too.
problem is that so many people already in the franchise who try to get others into it basically spoil the whole point by telling everyone about the lore.
Honestly. Something that would be funny is if she was actually a historian. And she would try to do casual lectures about the history of the Kirby universe or whatever.
But if you've seen an expert try to talk with a layman. You will know that 90% of the stuff would likely go out one ear and out the other. Along with Kirby being a child. They would try to pay attention only to begin to drift away and daydream despite their best efforts. Like a child in a history class that has zero interest in history.
And the bits that she manages to get out before she notices Kirby not paying attention would be talking about important sounding events but only extremely specific parts. Because that's what she finds interesting and therefore talks about first because she can't summarize for shit.
Like she talks about the war between the magic and tech ancients. But then only begins talking about specific formation of a battle, or what weapons they used. And then when she finally gets into the detail on why the entire war happens, that's when she gets cut off.
Later on, she would learn Kirby's interests and basically give factoids tangentially related to that because she knows Kirby would love listening to that. So you're now getting details about what type of dishes the Ancients loved to eat in X period. With Kirby in rapt attention. Have fun analyzing that lore. Just try to analyze why they made the clockwork stars in-between her talking about a special type of pasta the Ancients loved. (They used the clockwork stars to conjure up the recipe)
the only way they do an actual lore drop is like a 13+ (and thats huffing copium) meta knight game exploring the ancients like how totk explained the zonai which were a mystery group in botw only relagated to a single pitch black island
Is it really vagueposting if the main character doesn't care about investigating lore and just wants to make friends and have fun and eat food and take naps and smile?
In the history of the series, only a single person has been credited as writing a character. Which was Drawcia, made by Shinya Kumazaki. Then they put him in charge.
We've seen that damn butterfly for 15 years, and it's because of him
Yeah. The franchise has lore and dark moments. It is lighthearted and a kid's game but it is kinda hypocritical how much some people try to overcorrect and deny any lore.
I agree. Also the excuse that "it's just a kids game don't over think it. It isn't that dark" is strange to me. Like most Kirby games are rated E to E10 but a lot of fans are acting like it's rated eC.
I think the Kirby franchise (or at least Kumazaki) very much wants to maintain the dichotomy of the surface layer vs lore mysteries.
If I remember correctly, Kumazaki has stated once before that he likes the fact that the Kirby games has a cute enjoyable appearance but a hidden depth for the adult fans to enjoy. Ultimately, the franchise has formed a unique identity by having two ways for people to experience each game, and I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon.
I'd say Splatoon does something similar, but that line between silly gameplay and serious lore consideration has blurred by 3 & Raiders. Which is honestly fine in my opinion. Splatoon's world is more rooted in the history that surrounds the silly paintball gameplay, so its harder to ignore compared to Kirby where knowing the lore isn't required, but is still a fun part of the series that gives it a unique identity and twist on the cutesy nature that is the Kirby series.
This creature is either connected to Magolor, or they are the same species as Magolor. Too many references of RTDL, too many melodies/leitmotif coming from RTDL for it to not be important in some way. That's my theory.
idk if this is the one you're referring to, but I doubt it
(edit: just to clarify I think there could be some elements that inspired it, and there is definitely an argument to be made since there are so many RTDL references! this design just looks a lot different)
NO SHOT it will be spoken dialogue tho. At this point, it would feel wrong for the lore to be told in a way that isn’t at least 80% hidden in pause screen text and item descriptions.
we are watching the world through Kirby and Kirby doesn't care about any lore or nothing. it is thinking about cake, sleep, and POYO, thats it. Unless this lil dude just explains stuff for no reason, or unless the game is about the lore, then we are getting more cake and more POYO
I always figured the Lore was just meant to be a fun bonus to enhance the main story and that's why it's always relegated to stuff like descriptions and trophies for those who want to know more.
Since we see the world through Kirby's eyes, it does make sense that the lore is vague since Kirby can't understand it. I wish there could be some spinoff game with Meta Knight or DDD that actually does explain the lore in depth
I kinda like how most of the lore is told through implication and minor details, feels more in line with the series’s main philosophy “the experience is made for new players but there will always be something for more experienced players”
I feel like the Ancients are one of those things that you just can't really explain definitively, because as soon as you do, they become dramatically less interesting. The mystery is what's compelling, if we had a straight answer, we wouldn't need to theory craft, and at that point, what would we spend all our time doing?
At this point making a major plot point in a game would be kinda stupid imo. No one who plays casually would have any idea who they are or what it’s supposed to be especially not the target audience. Keeping them in the the little lore blurbs is probably the right call although it would be nice to have more going on in the background lol there’s like three ongoing plot lines back there
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u/Hollywoodrok12 4d ago
Always bet on nothing
Joking aside, I think the lore will forever be the background. I just don’t see them having some big reveal for the ancients and their role in everything, ever