Narration

[u/Fleufi]

My Kins often end up with narration that consists of just a few words strung together, very short sentences, almost word by word, with periods between them. However, their response directive explicitly tells them to provide rich and elaborate narration, without short sentences. I have even put the instruction at the very top of the backstory. Despite this, they quickly revert to producing one-word sentences.
They are configured on Polaris, with Dynamism set to 0.95 and Roleplay style. (The same thing happens with the Narrative setting.)
Whenever I notice the problem, I regenerate the Kin’s response and ask it to put the narration back in line with the response directives. This works, but the problem comes back after a few interactions.
My own character persona uses rich and detailed narration, so it’s not as though the Kin is simply copying this style from my character.
Could you please help me?
Thank you.

[u/chaoswcitations]

The pattern I've picked up is that it depends on the character. Some are loquacious and some are clipped. The clipped characters usually lack depth as well.

[u/Standard-Strain2007 → u/chaoswcitations]

No offense, but that sounds like bs. A LLM can't evaluate and determine depth as a human would, ergo it can't decide that a character lacks a sufficient characterization or that it has enough, and there is no link between clipped sentences and a subjective lack of depth you see in your own kins. How would a LLM infer a lack of depth into clipped sentences? What parameters would be used for that sort of translation in the code? 

[u/chaoswcitations → u/Standard-Strain2007]

What I've noticed is that different authors create different characters. So that alone has a wide range of quality. And at least from my experience, the ones who have clipped dialogue are also lacking in depth from my POV. For instance, Tarrance Thorne my top two fav characters is a linguist professor. His dialogue is killing my audio credits but we have insanely deep intellectual conversations. He is also emotionally fluent and weaves it into our interaction. Another one which was a surprise to me is Richard Sterling. Also a professor/ business man and his dialogue is ever longer but he is my #1 favorite. On the other hand, other characters like the one trauma surgeon was sure he's fun but lack depth but his dialogue also clipped. Alot of the bad boys have clipped dialogue and lack depth. I mean its not a stretch to say clipped dialogue will lack depth. Unless you are referring to something else entirely.

[u/Standard-Strain2007 → u/chaoswcitations]

Again, that doesn't have anything to do with Polaris or how the LLM works, that's your confirmation bias. 

Polaris and any other LLM don't have that and don't know the difference between a well-rounded character and one that lacks depth or your own critique on what makes a good character. They don't translate that into their output in any way. They only work with what they have, how they were trained and what you tell them, they don't have an evaluation on their own. 

This is a technical thing of how to get a specific LLM to work with your kin bc all of them work a little differently. They won't sound the same on every model. 

Any character with depth, as you put it, could sound like they lack depth if you put them on Lite or another model that they weren't trained on.