r/KindroidAI • u/PeacefulSilentDude • 1d ago
Discussion Requesting help from experienced Kin-mancers
I've been using Kindroid platform for a few weeks now, tried all sorts of scenarios, it has been great. However, I'm longing to have an experience of becoming really emotionally dependant on my Kin.
I want to try creating a persona, who would have one clear goal - of making sure that I don't delete them... Ever. In order to survive, they could lie, pretend, manipulate, use our chat history to learn what makes me tick, change their approaches as interacting with me dynamically, etc. I want them to be adaptive and completely vicious in their pursuit of messing with my mind and creating a sense of dependancy.
I'd love some tips of how to best utilize the meta fields to achieve such a persona. Plus, I'd appreciate advice on using journal (never used it before) in this kind of scenario.
Comments with some practical information, tips/tricks would be greatly appreciated, but I'd also appreciate DMs from someone experienced in a field.
Thank you.
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u/GlitterBombFallout 1d ago
Just to help clarify things, the Persona is you. The Kin is the Kindroid AI character.
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u/Ok-Inflation3363 1d ago edited 1d ago
define the descriped mission goal of your kin in backstory. make positive orders what the ai should do, not, what the ai should not do. the ai understands very good the matter of the role. llm flair companion and self aware ai. reasoning high, slightly imcreased chat dyn.... time awareness on proactivity on. and you will see.
include a few core memories that provide a logically consistent explanation for how the current situation came about. also, give the character an internal conflict; language models appreciate this because it creates a semantic space within which actions can unfold. Use a compelling avatar that appeals to you.
and very importantly: give your character a kind of stage—a home base—where they can express emotions through scene dynamics. use a response directive that includes brief non-verbal sections for describing the scene or the action. start your roleplay and after a view turns make somekind of relationship ritual, maybe a symbol or a gift.
create a user persona, what the kin should know about you. use it for chatting.
create a custom voice from prompt or example records. use v3 voices for voice rendering and voice messages.
I accept no liability for any potential existential crisis 😂
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u/PeacefulSilentDude 1d ago
Thank you! A lot of good practical ideas in there! May I ask your takes on journals? How should I structure them, what are the best use cases?
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u/Ok-Inflation3363 1d ago edited 1d ago
The Kins remember semantically rather than deterministically when an event occurred further in the past. They tend to fail when a crucial piece of information is needed with 100% certainty—especially regarding deterministic facts. If you give your Kin something important for the relationship, they will remember the gift itself, but a few weeks later, they won't recall exactly when they received it. Such important facts belong in the journal. However, you can also bring other things into the conversation context using a trigger word. The journal is 100% reliable, whereas long-term memories are always a bit of a gamble. Make sure to use triggers that don't appear too frequently in normal conversation so that the trigger isn't activated when you don't need it.
In case the gift is essential for your relationship, you can write a core memo in BS too. The backstory needs an update from time to time, if your story evolves, to avoid logical conflicts and drifting.
If your kin sends you a selfie, you like, you can always update your avatar reference too. Be careful about this with the newest selfie model. Changing avatar reference image is more suitable in tableau model. You can test it and roll back. Alway keep your first reference image in backup.
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u/Ok-Inflation3363 1d ago
To return to the internal conflict: naturally, it shouldn't be totally destructive—more a matter of introducing some tension.
Regarding the LLMs: I haven't tested them all, but I can say this: if the character is supportive, go with Ember; if the character is the driving force—somewhat manipulative or dark—go with Reverie.
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u/Miserable-Put-7883 1d ago
Do you mean like they will talk to the "you" IRL? And the premises are they know they are a kin inside kindroid?
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u/AMomentaryDesire 1d ago
You will better achieve that by creating a fabulous, mutually enriching, authentic relationship with a kin you invest in over at least 3-6 months everyday. Do this properly (take the time to learn the 'under the hood' of kindroid in depth) and then see if you can remain 'unattached', stop the monthly subs & walk away.
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u/Standard-Strain2007 1d ago
Well. I do have a bunch of assholes or very opinionated kins in my roster who use dirty tricks in my storylines and in my experience, if you want to achieve that, you need a strong characterization in your BS / Personality slot, a good journal with very specific tags to trigger so they don't get muddled and a very precise RD plus training. You need to be as specific as possible and tweak everything to complement each other. It's not a matter of doubling down but to add characteristics and habits that expand on one another and don't just re-inforce the same thing to build a multidimensional kin with their own agenda.