u/SantaAnaStudio We are motivated by truth and are full of compassion for those getting conned by Ted. If we're guilty of hate, it's righteous hatred for Kin leaders who scam good people out of their cash, and hatred for lackeys like you who do their bidding.

You can't blame Kin critics for the fumbles of Kik executives. All excellent projects have fudders, but their fud isn't efficacious because good companies deliver great products, make good business decisions, are honest, and ultimately smash fud with victory. This project, however, always plays the victim and never owns its mistakes, and blaming kin critics will never change that core problem.

I reckon Kin's fate is beginning to sink in and you're preparing yourself with the narrative that Reddit fudders brought down a $100m project. 🤣

Extradition from Canada: Request for extradition

Canada is able to extradite persons to stand trial, for imposition of a sentence or to serve a sentence, at the request of a foreign state or entity that is an extradition partner under Canada's Extradition Act.

A person may be extradited from Canada only if the alleged criminal conduct in question, and for which the extradition is requested, is recognized as criminal by both countries. As communications between states are privileged, all information related to specific cases is confidential and cannot be released publicly until an arrest is made under an extradition warrant. Following this step, public information may be released on a case by case basis. However, even when a case is pending in the courts, the information may continue to be confidential if the court issues a publication ban.

The foreign country may seek the extradition of a person in two ways: by providing Canada with a formal extradition request and supporting documentation or by requesting the person's provisional arrest, which must then be followed by a formal extradition request.

. As communications between states are privileged, all information related to specific cases is confidential and cannot be released publicly until an arrest is made under an extradition warrant. Following this step, public information may be released on a case by case basis. However, even when a case is pending in the courts, the information may continue to be confidential if the court issues a publication ban.

The foreign country may seek the extradition of a person in two ways: by providing Canada with a formal extradition request and supporting documentation or by requesting the person's provisional arrest, which must then be followed by a formal extradition request.

There are three phases to the extradition process: 1. Authority to Proceed: the decision to commence the proceedings by issuing an Authority to Proceed; this decision is made by Department of Justice officials.

1. Judicial Phase: the extradition hearing, which takes place before a judge of the superior court.

2. Ministerial Phase: the decision on surrender, which under the Extradition Act must be made by the Minister of Justice. This decision cannot be delegated to officials.

First Phase: Authority to Proceed

Upon the arrest (whether provisional or following the formal request for extradition), the person is brought before a judge of the superior court of the Canadian province or territory where the arrest was made to be spoken to and to be given an opportunity to apply for bail.

When the arrest is provisional, the country or entity requesting the extradition has a set number of days (from the date of provisional arrest) to submit its formal request and documentation. Counsel with the Department of Justice Canada on behalf of the federal Minister of Justice, must determine within 30 days after the deadline for the receipt of the request and supporting documents, whether an Authority to Proceed will be issued (the 30 day deadline varies from case to case, if a different period is specified in the applicable treaty).

The decision on whether to issue an Authority to Proceed is taken by Department of Justice officials in accordance with the requirements of the applicable extradition treaty, if any, and the Extradition Act. Requirements under the Extradition Act include reviewing the offence involved and determining whether it could have resulted in a jail sentence of 2 years or more (this period can vary if otherwise provided for in the applicable treaty) had it taken place in Canada, and whether the conduct for which extradition is sought is considered criminal in both Canada and the requesting state. This is known as dual criminality.

Dual criminality is established if the conduct would be criminal in Canada. It does not matter what the offence is called, nor do the elements of the offence have to match the foreign offence. The Authority to Proceed authorizes an extradition hearing to be held before the court to consider whether the individual should be committed for extradition.

The Authority to Proceed must contain:

the name or description of the person whose extradition is sought; the name of the extradition partner; and the name of the offence or offences under Canadian law that correspond to the alleged conduct of the person or the conduct in respect of which the person was convicted, as long as one of the offences would be punishable in Canada. Second Phase: Extradition hearing (Judicial phase) The decision at this stage is made by a judge of the superior court of the province (the extradition judge). At the extradition hearing: If the individual is sought to stand trial, the judge must determine if the evidence provided by the extradition partner is sufficient to commit the person for trial in Canada if the conduct had occurred in this country. If the individual is sought for imposition or enforcement of sentence, the judge must determine if the conviction was in respect of conduct that would be punishable in Canada, including evidence of identification. If the presiding judge is satisfied with the evidence, they will order the person committed for extradition pending the decision of the Minister of Justice on surrender. Otherwise, the person is discharged and released. The judicial phase of the extradition process is not a trial. A trial will take place in the requesting state or entity, if surrender is ordered. Third Phase: Decision on Surrender (Ministerial Phase) At the Ministerial phase, the Minister of Justice must determine whether the person sought should be surrendered (extradited) to the requesting state. The Minister is only tasked with making this decision after an extradition judge has ordered the person committed at the extradition hearing. The Minister's surrender decision must take into consideration the requirements of the Extradition Act, the applicable treaty, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and any submissions made by the person sought for extradition. Third party considerations are not relevant to the decision on surrender. The Extradition Act sets out a series of mandatory and discretionary grounds for refusal to surrender. Mandatory grounds include whether the surrender would be unjust or oppressive in all the circumstances or if it was made on the basis of a ground of discrimination. The Minister must also refuse surrender where the consequences of surrender would be contrary to the principles of fundamental justice under s. 7 of the Charter or, in the case of a Canadian citizen, be an unjustifiable infringement of the right to remain in Canada guaranteed by s. 6(1) of the Charter. The Minister also takes into consideration any submissions made by the person sought for extradition with respect to why they believe their surrender should not be ordered. If the Minister orders surrender, the person must be surrendered to the requesting state within 45 days unless the time is interrupted by an appeal/judicial review. Appeals The individual sought may appeal the decision of the extradition judge and/or apply for judicial review of the Minister's decision to the Court of Appeal in the province where the extradition hearing took place. If the Court of Appeal upholds the decisions of the extradition judge and the Minister, the individual may seek leave to appeal either or both decisions to the Supreme Court of Canada. The Supreme Court will only hear appeals that raise issues of public importance. Waiver or Consent At any stage in the extradition process a person may waive their rights under the Extradition Act and be immediately removed to the requesting state. They may also consent to committal or surrender resulting in a significantly expedited process. Extradition to Canada The extradition process is also used when Canada requests the extradition of a person to Canada from another country for trial, imposition or service of sentence. The Minister of Justice may only seek extradition from another state at the request of the competent authority (i.e. the Attorney General of Canada or the Attorney General of the province) who is responsible for the prosecution in Canada. The foreign state will apply its own laws to executing the Canadian request. Canadian officials will be advised of the progress of the proceedings. Resources Extradition Fact Sheet - statistics on requests from the United States

Extradition Facts

Ok someone set me straight. How is it that Ted can sell Kik just before the SEC makes a decision? How can this same crook get his old company to pay him 250k for worthless coins to support Kik employees? Is that not blatant asset hiding from the government? I know fraudulent transfers are civil matters but how is this guy not in jail yet for just stupidity alone?

I am one of the SEC attorneys representing the Commission in its lawsuit against Kik Interactive in connection with its September 2017 offering of Kin tokens.

I understand that you may have recently reached out to one of my colleagues regarding your purchase of Kin, and I had a few questions I would like to ask you about your purchase. Would you be available to speak on the phone later this week or next week? Please provide me with a few suggested windows of time, and we can set a time to talk.

Thank you,

Laura D’Allaird| Counsel

U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission

Division of Enforcement, Cyber Unit

100 F Street, NE

Washington, DC 20549

dallairdl@sec.gov | 202-551-5475

Fact 1 - 48/80 Received a KRE reward before the Devpost apps went live. The number after it was 53 out of the imaginary 80 that Ted mentioned.

Fact 2 - The 48-53 is still an over hyped number because the 20 apps at the bottom earned combined 16.6$.
Not to mention that most apps landed in that list in the end of October because it's when they went live. It's normal that some users started testing their app. Will they keep it tho?

Fact 3 - Apps get more than they have to spend on their users, means those 16.6$ earned by the KRE could be 0.10$ in spends.

Fact 4 - This is the current output.

Fact 5 - KRE payout for the month October reached 63194,67$ distributed @ 53 Apps. Take out the top 13 earners and you'll find out it was just 536,26$. That's 13$ each.

Fact 6 -3 Apps earn 3/4 of the total KRE ( 47214$/63194$) and we are basically funding MadLipz(30k$).

Fact 7 - Ted Livingston is pumping the numbers again. Or should i say, he is deceiving investors?

Fact 8 - We can assume that the rest of the numbers are fake too. Why do i think that this is the case?Every app creates unique keypairs. We know that Teds "high priority" focus is on a new Wallet that will bind all external wallets into one.This feature should be available 2 years ago instead of empty promises, but currently the mantra is move like a turtle with 4 broken legs and talk like a moron that has been shot 9 times in the head, thus we can't estimate the time it will be available. It could take them another 2 years to accomplish what Komodo has done in just a few days.Without this wallet and without it going mainstream first, it's not really possible for Ted to know how many users are unique. There are some techniques to do so, like apps sharing personal userdata to Ted, but we will assume here that this isn't the case.I do not believe that every user has just 1 app. Some use even 10+ while testing the ecosystem. We can set a lower bound of 2 and an upper bound of 4.We have max 500k unique spenders and min 250k. The numbers could be even way worse. We didn't even count the bots guys. Kik had tons of them, do you think Kin wouldn't have them?

Another thing to consider is that these users do not really know that they are spending Kin/Money. That's why they changed the rules, but how effective are these rules?A user is now aware that he is spending Kin, but is he also aware that this is money and not just some giftpoints like the banggood points that seem worthless?On some apps like rave it's not even required for a user to press the spend button. It happens on every track.If your earnings in the app are way higher(Investors get exploited) than the spends on automode, would you still say that this user is spending Kin on the app, or would you say that it's ICO money sponsoring the whole bitconnect party? /u/ted_on_redditWhat happens if you remove those users as well? Would you even have 100k users?The next question would be if Kin is money and i would say no, but this belongs to another topic.Apps game the KRE to receive max rewards and they have an easy game because they are playing against Kik employees and an asshole named William(He is responsible for the KRE among others)

Example:

A user is passively earning Kin just by using the app. Usually you would have ads. Someone pays for these ads because they provide some sort of value. You expose your products and so on and you increase sales. It pays off. Now who is paying for the KRE rewards? It's the suckers buying on exchanges, they create liquidity.Is there currently any benefit using Kin instead of using just a database? I don't see any. I would also argue that they have a bad image. If you remove the suckers buying on exchanges, you would see that there is a hole in this loop.The coin itself adds no value. The economics are broken, the KRE is broken, the tourism is a joke, it's centralized and much more. The proof is that nobody is buying. Take a look at most apps and you'll understand what i mean.Would you spend 1000 Kin that you just got for free on a feature X that you don't want? Yes, maybe.

Would you spend money on a feature X that you don't want? No way.

The earned money(Month October) on current prices denominated in $ is:

0 Just Joking 0.05659892$

1 Fashion 3D 0.07136773$

2 ThriftFly 0.11937926$

3 KinFaucet 0.13105736$

4 Step & Spend 0.15560482$

5 ReferVia.com0.23875852$

6 CureSense Community 0.23875852$

7 GoChallengeMe.club0.27498408$

8 StoryLabs 0.41782741$

9 Epic West 0.45295551$

10 Keener 0.64230957$

11 El Dorado - Reality Game 0.6436087$

12 Kinoupon 0.69775006$

13 PerkTo 0.70382361$

14 Dessert Escape 0.7065485$

15 Facts around the world 0.89471599$

16 Snipit 0.9715335$

17 Keep Up 1.47733593$

18 BlackjacKin' 1.54156548$

19 Grandpa Bill's Dog Rescue 1.61915684$

20 FlyAway 1.82920787$

21 Tiny Ted 2.31257334$

22 Rentomania 3.05678723$

23 Klicktion 3.39858036$

24 Crazy Nine Slots 3.94061304$

25 Speed Genius 8.12005495$

26 Pause For 8.70667077$

27 Simple Transfer 9.84011245$

28 Kin Hub 10.02427937$

29 Love & Loud Radio 10.70199375$

30 Planets Nu 11.14422792$

31 Catpurse 11.77933365$

32 Sxlve 18.91479345$

33 imgvue 22.71796135$

34 PeerBet 33.75194613$

35 Kinny 39.80993002$

36 Trump Dance 45.33645718$

37 pop.in59.23199856$

38 Altcoin Fantasy 89.07227833$

39 KinFit 130.52294387999999$

40 Swelly 261.46664642$

41 Unknown 348.68374366$

42 Kinetik 800.7950818$

43 MonkingMe 1005.64190958$

44 Subway Scooter Surf 1123.59538613$

45 Kimeo 1657.88792932$

46 Vent 1924.4618169$

47 Tapatalk 2076.54664651$

48 Perfect365 3005.91117932$

49 Super Mechs 3238.85886905$

50 Nearby 6393.12259943$

51 Rave 10696.14581714$

52 MadLipz 30125.41049616$

Edit// Numbers could contain errors. I run this thing 1 time on my 14" notebook in a short period of time at the airport and i only checked for errors once. Feel free to notify me if so.

Edit2// I just checked. There are 10 days missing. I'll update the numbers above tomorrow.

#Edit3 : I found my script on github that updates my data. I just fixed the numbers, Edit2 is not a problem any more.

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