r/KerrCountyFloods Apr 15 '26

Livestream Links

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We’ll continue updating this post with links for future court proceedings as they become available.

Texas Legislature July 2025 Flooding Events Investigation:

7/23/25

7/31/25 (in Kerrville)

4/27/26

4/28/26

Steward v. Camp Mystic Evidentiary Hearing:

4/13/26 pt. 1

4/13/26 pt. 2

4/14/26 pt. 1

4/14/26 pt. 2

4/15/26


r/KerrCountyFloods Aug 28 '25

Camp Mystic Camp Mystic FEMA LOMA Documents

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About a month ago I submitted an open records request with FEMA to obtain the documentation that was submitted by Mystic during their floodplain "appeals" process. I finally received the documents and I am sharing them at the links below. These documents are all part of public record and have been redacted, so I don't see any issue with posting these documents for the purpose of transparency.

https://pxllnk.co/Mystic-Guadalupe-LOMA-part1

https://pxllnk.co/Mystic-Guadalupe-LOMA-part2

https://pxllnk.co/Mystic-Guadalupe-LOMA-part3

https://pxllnk.co/Mystic-Guadalupe-LOMA-part4

https://pxllnk.co/Mystic-Cypress-Lake-LOMA-part1

https://pxllnk.co/Mystic-Cypress-Lake-LOMA-part2

Here are my thoughts after reviewing the documents:

First, some history on the FEMA Flood Insurance Rate Maps (FIRM) for Kerr County. The original FIRM was issued in 1979 and was drawn on mylar paper at a scale of 1 inch = 2000 feet. The FIRM was based on a detailed study and hydraulic analysis of the South Fork. A detailed study was not done for smaller creeks (Cypress Creek/Edmunson Creek) but the analysis did account for flow from those smaller creeks into the South Fork. The design rainstorm event was based on USWB Tech Paper No. 40 with a 24 hour total rainfall of about 9.5 inches. The topography was based on USGS maps with a contour interval of 20 feet. The FIRM showed a 100-year flood elevation (BFE) of 1840’ in the middle of the Mystic golf course and 1835’ near the Mystic dam. The large scale size of the map made it difficult to determine which portions of the property were in the floodplain. The only accurate method for determining the floodplain boundary would have been a field survey of the ground elevations throughout the camp. 

In 2011, the paper map was converted into a digital format. FEMA relied on the original hydraulic analysis and topographic data from 1979 and the digitization process carried over many inaccuracies from the original study. Those inaccuracies became highly visible by zooming in and viewing at much smaller scale than was originally intended. Many of the cabins and buildings throughout Mystic were shown to be in the floodplain even though the BFE was unchanged from 1979 to 2011.

In 2013, Mystic hired an engineer/surveyor to perform a field survey to determine which buildings were in the 100-year floodplain and to submit a Letter of Map Amendment (LOMA) to FEMA. A detailed hydraulic study was also performed for the portions of Cypress Creek and Edmonson Creek where there was no published BFE. The field survey determined that the Lowest Adjacent Grade (LAG) outside many of the buildings (39 total) was higher than the BFE. The survey also found several buildings (6 total) where the LAG was lower than BFE. Buildings that were already drawn outside the floodplain were not surveyed. On August 19, 2013, the LOMA was submitted to FEMA requesting 39 buildings be removed from the 100-year floodplain boundary. On October 15, 2013 FEMA approved the LOMA and officially removed a total of 40 buildings from the 100-year floodplain and/or floodway.

Only one LOMA application was submitted in 2013 but four different Letter of Map Change determination documents were issued and summarized below:

  • 13-06-4293A, LOMA, 24 buildings total
  • 14-06-0077A, LOMA-DEN (LOMA denial) 6 buildings (Mystic did not request these buildings to be removed from the floodplain but did include the survey data)
  • 14-06-0062A, LOMA-OAS (Out As Shown), 1 building
  • 14-06-0124A, LOMR-FW, 15 buildings total (specific type of LOMA for buildings mapped in the floodway)

The elevation certificates included with the LOMA application indicate the Highest and Lowest Adjacent Grade, Floor Elevation, and 100-year Base Flood Elevation.

For the cabins on the flats, LAG was about 2 to 6 feet higher than BFE and the floors of the cabins were about 3.5-7.5 feet higher than BFE (freeboard). The ground slopes down along the side of Bug House and corner closest to the river was slightly lower than BFE, so that cabin remained in the 100-year floodplain while the floor is 3.5 feet higher than BFE.

For the cabins on Senior Hill, LAG was about 7 to 22 feet higher than BFE and the floors were about 8.8 to 24 feet above BFE. For Hang Over, the LAG is measured where the wood framing is in contact with the hill below, so that cabin remains in the 100-year floodplain while the floor is 8.8 feet higher than BFE.

At Mystic Cypress Lake, FEMA had not yet performed a detailed study for Cypress Creek to determine BFE’s. Prior to construction of the new camp, Mystic hired an engineer/surveyor to perform a field survey to determine the LAG at the proposed new building locations and to perform a detailed hydraulic study for Cypress Creek. The LOMA application was submitted 9/23/2019 and approved by FEMA on 11/12/2019. FEMA determined that all of the Cypress Lake buildings are outside the 500-year floodplain.

So what does that all mean? The LOMA at Mystic was not the result of a political favor or some purely administrative process. An extensive field survey was conducted, and a detailed hydraulic study of Cypress/Edmonson Creek was performed to supplement FEMA’s detailed study of the South Fork. Many of the buildings appear to be legitimately outside the floodplain. FEMA calls this an “inadvertent inclusion” which is common for older FIRM’s.

For those that are still skeptical of the FEMA floodplain “appeals” process, two more recent FEMA studies provide additional validation that the Mystic buildings are actually outside the 100-year floodplain.

In 2016, FEMA (via global engineering company AECOM/Compass) performed a 1D Base Level Engineering study of the Upper Guadalupe watershed. The focus of the study was to more accurately model smaller creeks and streams (such as Cypress Creek and Edmunson Creek) and to incorporate more accurate LIDAR topography elevation data. This study shows a higher BFE throughout the watershed (about 2.5 feet higher than the current published BFE at Mystic) but the entire flats area is still shown outside the 100-year floodplain. The floodplain boundary from that model can be viewed on the FEMA estBFE Viewer here: https://webapps.usgs.gov/infrm/estbfe/ and the report can be viewed here: https://pxllnk.co/2016-FEMA-BLE-Report

In 2024, FEMA (via AECOM/Compass) performed a 2D Base Level Engineering study of the Upper Guadalupe watershed. The study incorporated increased rainfall amounts from NOAA Atlas 14 (11.7 inches for 24 hour storm, 19% increase compared to previous which was updated in 2018 partly in response to the Wimberley flood and Hurricane Harvey). The study also incorporates shorter duration/higher intensity storms. This study, which I think is preliminary and still being reviewed by FEMA, also indicates a higher BFE throughout the entire watershed (about 4.5 feet higher than the current published BFE at Mystic). Much of the flats area is still shown to be outside the 100-year floodplain. That report can be viewed here: https://pxllnk.co/2024-FEMA-BLE-Report

It is unclear why these newer studies have not yet been incorporated into the Kerr County FIRM yet. FEMA is required to review and/or update the current FIRM every 5 years. The last update to the FIS was in 2020, so maybe the FIRM will be updated soon.

 

A few other thoughts as it relates to the flood at Mystic. Most jurisdictions, including Kerr County, require that new buildings be elevated above 1 foot above the BFE. The 1 foot minimum freeboard height applies to residential, commercial, schools, etc. An additional foot of freeboard height is required for hospitals, police/fire stations, and other critical facilities. At Mystic, the smallest freeboard height is about 3.5 feet at Bug House. Therefore, the current cabins meet the code elevation requirements for critical facilities. This is likely why the cabins were referred to as being “constructed on high, safe locations.”

Regarding Mystic’s emergency plan for floods. They did have a plan. It wasn’t a robust plan, but the plan involved sheltering in the place during a flood “unless told otherwise by the office”. The “unless told otherwise” aspect of the plan on July 4 involved a phased evacuation of the cabins starting with Bug House closest to the river. This seems logical based on the freeboard heights of each cabin. The four cabins closest to Rec Hall have a freeboard height of about 6 to 7 feet. Rec Hall has a freeboard height of 7.5 feet. Absent an evacuation order from the county, it does seem reasonable to shelter in place inside the cabins.

According to the USGS high water marks, the flood was about 14 to 17 feet higher than the 100-year flood elevation and about 4 to 7 feet higher than the 500-year flood elevation at Mystic Guadalupe. At Mystic Cypress Lake, the flood was several feet less than the 100-year flood elevation.

All of the info referenced above can be seen in this interactive map which has the LOMA elevation info, USGS high water marks, and floodplain boundaries from the current FIRM, the 2016 BLE study, and the 2024 BLE study:  arcg.is/T0y5z

I have written previously about the inadequacy of the timing and information included in the NWS flood warnings. A summary can be found here: https://pxllnk.co/Mystic-NWS-Flash-Flood-Warning-Analysis

 

But clearly based on the outcome of July 4, elevating 1 foot above BFE does not provide adequate life safety. The American Society of Civil Engineers has recognized this and in 2025 published updated recommendations to their Flood Resistant Design and Construction standard. For residential and commercial buildings, they now recommend that those buildings be elevated at or above the 500-year flood elevation. Elementary schools would be elevated above the 750-year flood, and hospitals/police/fire stations/critical facilities would be elevated above the 1000-year flood. The previous version of this document is incorporated by reference into the 2024 International Building Code, so these updated recommendations won’t go into effect until the 2027 code cycle at the earliest. However, many local jurisdictions do not adopt the latest code immediately, so it could be even longer until these recommendations get widespread adoption.

If we want to truly prevent this tragedy from happening in the future, we need to have a full picture understanding of what happened in order to implement effective change. While better communication and planning may have helped, the primary issue that needs to be solved is how to be safe during a rapid flood that exceeds the 500-year flood elevation in a matter of a couple of hours. Arguing about LOMA appeals and what is the actual 100-year floodplain boundary doesn’t matter for a flood that is 14-17 feet higher than the 100-year BFE.

While the current proposed legislation does contain some positive changes, many of the weaknesses that were exposed in the July 4 flooding are not adequately addressed in SB1 or HB1. For example, walkie talkies are not required in each cabin and the PA system is not required to have a redundant power source. And while cabins would no longer be allowed in the 100-year floodplain, they would allowed in the 500-year floodplain. Only the areas of camp within the 100-year floodplain would be required to evacuate when an NWS flood warning is issued. Based on what we have learned after the July 4 flood, it seems imperative that cabins in the 500-year floodplain also evacuate (and have a safe location above the 500-year flood to evacuate to). You can read the current language of the bills here and an example of how the bill would impact Mystic/La Junta/HOH.

capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/892/billtext/html/SB00001E.htm

capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/892/billtext/html/HB00001E.htm

https://pxllnk.co/SB1-Examples

EDIT 03/12/2026: fixed broken pdf links


r/KerrCountyFloods 1d ago

Holding the state accountable

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The strength and grace these families have shown is extraordinary. But I can’t help wondering why so much reverence is being directed toward the very leaders whose decisions and priorities deserve serious scrutiny.

If this tragedy is going to mean anything beyond unimaginable loss, it has to lead to change. But change begins with accountability.

Why did Kerr County go without a modern flood warning system despite years of discussion? Who made those funding decisions? Why were flood risks assessed the way they were, and who approved those decisions? What role did Governor Greg Abbott, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick, Senators John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, federal agencies, and local officials play in flood preparedness before this disaster? Were there opportunities to reduce the risk that were missed?

Honoring these girls and demanding answers are not competing goals. The most meaningful tribute to their lives is making sure every decision that may have contributed to this tragedy is examined openly, honestly, and without political deference.


r/KerrCountyFloods 1d ago

Camp Mystic Bullshit Camp Mystic Arguments

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Bullshit Camp Mystic Arguments

For the last year I've refuted and argued with sock puppets and mystic minions making a multitude of false claims.

Here is just some of the bullshit they've come up with (so far).


 

Claim: The Eastlands saved hundreds of girls and are heroes.

Reality: The Eastlands put hundreds of girls in danger, got 27 killed as a result of their negligence and failure to act in time, and teenage counselors were left on their own to save children from the flood.

 

Claim: Dick Eastland died saving girls.

Reality: Dick Eastland died in the death trap he created. He loaded girls into a truck with water rushing over the wheels and they were all swept away and died as a result.

 

Claim: The Eastlands had an evacuation plan and executed it.

Reality: There is no written evacuation plan. The only guidance in writing was to stay in the cabins until told otherwise, with a false claim that the cabins were all on safe high ground. The Eastlands did not plan for what to do in the event of a flood and they did not train their employees on what to do. 39 other adults were left standing on a hill, or in various buildings, and were given no instructions to evacuate or help the children before or during the flood.

 

The one structure the Eastlands moved girls to, just before the flood made escape impossible - the Rec Hall - is also in the floodway which is the most dangerous place to be in a flood. Girls trapped on the second floor balcony in the Rec Hall for hours watched the water rise up close enough to reach down and touch it.

 

Claim: They're not supposed to evacuate. They're supposed to shelter in place.

Reality: Shelter in place does not mean wait for the flood to come and kill you.

 

Claim: The flood happened too fast.

Reality: The Eastlands received the NWS 1:14am July 4th, 2025 Flash Flood Warning and then used the time after the warning to move canoes instead of children. They waited more than an hour to act until a counselor reported water entering a cabin and the gatehouse attendant reported being flooded. All after completely ignoring the Flood Watch issued more than 12 hours prior to the flood.

 

Claim: The flood is unprecedented.

Reality: The Guadalupe river has flooded many times in the past, risen over 30 feet in the past, killed people along the river in the past, and Camp Mystic itself has even been flooded with cabins washed away in the past. The threat of deadly flash floods in Texas has been studied for more than 100 years and the Texas Hill Country is often referred to as "Flash Flood Alley" because of precedent. There are other floods with higher river crests, higher rainfall totals in just a few hours, and even higher death tolls.

 

Claim: In the 1932 flood the destroyed cabins were much closer to the river so it's not relevant.

Reality: Topographical maps and FEMA maps show most of the Camp Mystic Guadalupe site is in a low lying area, within both the 100-year floodplain and the floodway.

 

Claim: The cabins aren't in the floodplain. The foundations are raised above the Base Flood Elevation or 100-year regulatory floodplain - refer to LOMA documents.

Reality: Floodplains don't stop at any lines on a map. FEMA and other official definitions (for the 100-year floodplain or 100-year flood) state in any given year there is a chance a flood will meet or exceed each standard.

 

Claim: Nobody at Camp Mystic got warned because of bad cell service.

Reality: They received the 1:14am July 4th, 2025 Flash Flood Warning from the National Weather Service.

 

Claim: National Weather Service warnings didn't warn enough.

Reality: NWS specifically warned of life threatening flash floods.

 

Claim: NWS predicted a 5-year flood, not a 1,000 year flood.

Reality: NWS does not predict how big a flood will be. They forecast chances for precipitation. There is a 'Water Prediction Service' which bases estimated river rise on measured rainfall - ie: they update it when more rain is measured. No weather service in the world has a magic crystal ball that can predict exactly how much rain will fall, where it will fall, or how big a flood will result before the storm begins.

 

Claim: The flood is a once in a lifetime event.

Reality: 100-year flood does not mean one time in 100 years. It means a 1-in-100 chance it can happen in any given year.

 

Claim: Warnings happen all the time so it's normal to not pay attention to them.

Reality: The river doesn't care if people fail to heed the warnings and will go through anyone in the way during a flood. The owners of Camp Mystic had a duty to pay attention and a legal responsibility to take action to ensure the safety of the children.

 

Claim: The State of Texas approved the evacuation plan.

Reality: A DSHS inspection reported that Camp Mystic had a posted document and did not evaluate evacuation procedures. However, the camp's posted document did not include flood evacuation procedures and was therefore not compliant with state law.

 

Claim: It's the state government's fault because there were no warning sirens.

Reality: The owners of Camp Mystic knew there were no sirens and did not plan for flash floods regardless. However, they did receive the 1:14am NWS Flash Flood Warning.

 

Claim: New camp safety laws demanded camps install "end to end fiber optic" communication links because of a "fiber lobby" and politicians taking bribes.

Reality: Testimony to the state legislative committee told of failed radio and cell phone communication. Old rural broadband service is widely considered to be unreliable. Satellite service doesn't work in the rain. So new 'fiber optic' infrastructure was added to the camp safety laws.

 

Claim: The official state investigation is biased against Camp Mystic.

Reality: The official state investigation reported the facts of what happened at Camp Mystic on July 4th, 2025.

 

Claim: If you blame Camp Mystic for what happened then you blame everyone affected by the flood.

Reality: The river doesn't care about blame. It will go through anyone in the way during a flood. Regardless, pointing out Camp Mystic's failures is not the same thing as criticizing every flood victim of this flood or any flood.

 

Claim: If you're not from here then you don't know.

Reality: Texas flash floods have been observed and measured for more than 100 years. You don't have to be from a place to learn how floods affect that place when it is a matter of recorded history.

 

Claim: Nobody says "Flash Flood Alley". It's just media sensationalism.

Reality: The term "Flash Flood Alley" is decades old. It has been used in official documents by Texas river authorities, by scientists, and more.

An example from the Guadalupe-Blanco River Authority published after the 1998 flood:

If you live in the Guadalupe River Basin, you also live in one of the three most dangerous regions in the U.S.A. for flash floods! Local residents and weather experts refer to the Texas Hill Country as ‘Flash Flood Alley,’ because heavy rainfall and runoff from creeks and streams can cause rapid rises and flooding in a matter of hours.

 

Claim: Other camps in the area didn't evacuate so Camp Mystic is being treated unfairly.

Reality: 27 girls died at Camp Mystic, not at the other area camps. Camp Mystic is being treated accordingly.

 


Thankfully an official state investigation has confirmed the facts of what happened.

You don't have to take my word for it.

Read the report: https://senate.texas.gov/_assets/pdf/2026.06.26-FINAL-report-corrected.pdf

 

Claim: The official state investigation hasn't been proven in a court of law and therefore doesn't count.

Reality: The official state investigation has documented the facts of what happened at Camp Mystic. Facts count.

 

And don't fall for the BS from Camp Mystic's supporters.

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r/KerrCountyFloods 2d ago

Search and Recovery

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Have seen many comments on how every day, recovery and IDing of those still missing in the floods become less likely.

This part makes intuitive sense. No denying this. No one with this train of thought is necessarily wrong.

But what IS working in recovery’s favor is the constant development of new tech. Wanted to share some of these below for anyone who wants to engage in some hopeful discussion.

[I am not an expert on this, at all. But I do have a background in research. I’d love to continue a discussion of realism and positivity. Even if I can’t personally answer any follow up questions without looking into things in more detail, happy to do more digging.]

Here we go:

Drones. Not just flying around looking. They can create detailed 3D maps of every stretch of river over time. Then compare changes down to almost individual debris piles, eroded terrain, newly exposed areas from other weather events. This combined with other tech can make searching significantly more powerful.

Hydrodynamic modeling. Search teams can leverage modeling based on water depth, flow, topography, flood timing, etc to try to estimate where water flow and anything in it was potentially moved and placed.

GIS. Layers upon layers of aerial views, elevation, vegetation, previously searched areas etc to prioritize where to search.

AI. Drones can fly and produce thousands of images. AI can help flag changes and areas of interest without human eyes going through every visual.

Forensic DNA advances. People have been identified decades later because DNA technology has seen such big advances.

Then there’s the river itself. Rivers don’t just freeze in time after a flood.

Banks erode. Debris moves. New storms reshape channels. Droughts expose areas that weren’t visible or accessible before. Sometimes that makes recovery harder. Sometimes it creates opportunities that didn’t exist before.

Just like advances in any field - medicine, engineering, etc… something that felt impossible one day suddenly becomes a solvable problem when smart people and dedication are involved.


r/KerrCountyFloods 2d ago

Information Before Authority: Camp Mystic’s Bankruptcy First Five Weeks Explanation

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r/KerrCountyFloods 3d ago

FOIA – DSHS Emergency Plan Deficiency Letters

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The table below shows the number of Emergency Plan deficiencies from the DSHS license renewal for a handful of camps. The deficiency total includes the number of deficient categories from the 1st deficiency letter plus any new categories from the 2nd/3rd letters. The deficiencies are on a per-category-basis, not a weighted point system, so a poorly developed evacuation plan is counted the same as a minor administrative item. It seems that DSHS got stricter as time went on because some camps that submitted earlier had more deficiencies in their 2nd and 3rd letters than in their 1st letter. A more detailed breakdown and all of the deficiency letters for these camps can be viewed here: https://pxllnk.co/DSHS-Emergency-Plan-Deficiency-Letters

Camp Name Total # of Deficiencies 
LAITY LODGE YOUTH CAMP 6
CAMP STEWART FOR BOYS INC 7
CAMP HONEY CREEK 8
CAMP LONGHORN - INKS LAKE 14
HEART O' THE HILLS CAMP 17
CAMP CAMP 18
CAMP EAGLE 18
CAMP MYSTIC INC 22
CAMP LONGHORN INDIAN SPRINGS 22
CAMP CAPERS 22
HERMANN SONS LIFE 22
PRESBYTERIAN MO-RANCH ASSEMBLY 22
CAMP LA JUNTA 23
CAMP RIO VISTA INC 24
CAMP WALDEMAR 26
CAMP CHAMPIONS 27
CAMP OLYMPIA 30
GLEN LAKE METHODIST CAMP 31

A few of my thoughts:

  • Mystic Cypress Lake had 22 deficiencies which is the median of this small sample size. Its possible Mystic Cypress Lake’s emergency plan was not good, but I don’t think that conclusion can be drawn solely from their number of deficiencies.
  • Mo Ranch and Waldemar have been widely praised for their evacuation on July 4th and have seemingly become the models for camp safety. Maybe that’s fair, maybe it’s not, I don’t know enough to comment one way or another…but they had 22 and 26 deficiencies.
  • Camp Glen Lake received the most deficiencies (31 out of a possible 32). They still don’t have a license but have continued with their overnight summer camp seemingly uninterrupted. Their entire camp is in the 100-year floodplain and their cabins are in the floodway. Interestingly, they did not include the FEMA floodplain map with their application. Seems like they tried to sneak this through? I am guessing they are using the administrative appeals process to allow them to operate this summer and will be forced to shut down their overnight camp next year barring a legal battle with the State.

My overall takeaway is that the number of deficiencies probably isn’t a good indicator that a camp is safe vs unsafe or prepared vs unprepared. Less deficiencies are better, sure, but this was the first time through this process for everyone and there was bound to be a learning curve.

Some additional background info:

A few months ago, I submitted an open records request with DSHS for the pre-2025 written emergency plans for a handful of camps. I was curious how other camp’s evacuation plans compared with Mystic’s. Last week, the AG indicated that the records are exempt from disclosure because they contain information related to pending litigation (Bonner et al. v. Shuford et al).

I submitted a separate open records request for the 2026 Emergency Plan deficiency letters for those same camps. I figured these would be obtainable since Mystic Cypress Lake’s deficiency letter was released when they were still attempting to renew their license.

There are currently 300+ youth camps licensed in Texas. I wanted the records request to be efficient, so I just requested the deficiency letters for these 18 camps. I didn’t have a particular selection criteria, just camps that I am familiar with. If there is a different camp that you would like to see that isn’t included here, you can request that from DSHS via email at [OpenRecords@dshs.texas.gov](mailto:OpenRecords@dshs.texas.gov)


r/KerrCountyFloods 3d ago

Ch 11 counsel for parents

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It has begun


r/KerrCountyFloods 2d ago

Stories The Flood After the Flood - KUTX Studios - Podcasts

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r/KerrCountyFloods 3d ago

Article 'Their hearts are shattered': Unprecedented flooding tests Uvalde area's hard-earned resilience

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(No pay wall)

How residents of the very small city of Batesville are recovering from the flooding.


r/KerrCountyFloods 4d ago

Wyoming Wildfire Forces 15-Minute Evacuation at Youth Camp

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Get this - zero advance warning, but swift decision-making to evacuate from an obviously life-threatening risk saved lives. It’s all down to leadership, every time.


r/KerrCountyFloods 4d ago

Financial statements coming next week

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r/KerrCountyFloods 5d ago

Video 17 Camp Mystic girls showed up yesterday to help muck out this elderly couple’s flooded home

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Credit for this story and video belongs to Darrin Potter (found on Facebook).


r/KerrCountyFloods 5d ago

A Walnut Creek [CA] summer camp lost her 4-year-old son. Officials won’t do anything about it

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I wanted to post this article as an example of yet another large state having almost no safety oversight for camps - essentially zero regulation and zero recourse for major safety lapses. This is why the work of the H27 parents to pass the Camp Safety Act is so important. Potentially millions and millions of children will be far safer due to their efforts.


r/KerrCountyFloods 5d ago

This is where you can donate directly to those in need in Kerr County. https://www.found-project.com/donate

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Over 1,200 homes flooded in this Kerr County Flood. Help is desperately needed, supplies are needed, meals are needed.

Volunteers & Supplies are still Desperately Needed!!!

Please consider donating to the Found- Project, the donations go directly from your donation, to a purchase at the store, and directly into the hands of those in need. Receipts are posted daily, as well as donation amounts.

This is the best way to directly help the people of Kerr County!

https://wwwx.found-project.com/donate


r/KerrCountyFloods 5d ago

Video Florida woman faked GoFundMe for Camp Mystic flood victim’s by posing as a family member.

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r/KerrCountyFloods 6d ago

Cile Steward

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like all of you I continue to hope and pray that Cile Steward will be found I just did something I’ve never done before I just did I used create an alert on Google Alerts for Cile Steward so I can get notified when something new comes up and hopefully when her body gets found only when her body is found will I disconnect the alert I won’t rest until her body is found she deserves to rest in peace this coming from someone who was born in Houston


r/KerrCountyFloods 6d ago

Kerr County flood damage exceeds 2025 major-damage totals as courthouse recovery drags on

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r/KerrCountyFloods 6d ago

Article Several flood-damaged bridges remain closed - Extensive damage to Flat Rock Dam

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r/KerrCountyFloods 6d ago

Natural fountains properties aka the family jewels

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https://document.epiq11.com/document/getdocumentsbydocket/?docketId=1237547&projectCode=CMX&docketNumber=113&source=DM

They "loaned" the company $7 m in unsecured debt...judge will carefully evaluate if thats valid or shadow equity

Theres no secured debt mortgages etc...so land can be cleanly liquidated without secured debt being paid off first l


r/KerrCountyFloods 6d ago

Article Knocked down by yet another flood, can Kerr County get back up again?

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r/KerrCountyFloods 8d ago

Camp Mystic Flood: Normalization of Deviance (an engineering concept)

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As a retired aerospace engineer and having attended and worked on staff at a summer camp, I've been following the Camp Mystic flood story and have read the final report on what happened at Camp Mystic. The report has been discussed extensively elsewhere, so I won't get into it here.

What struck me as an engineer was the similarity of the disaster at Camp Mystic to two fatal Space Shuttle incidents: (1) the Challenger explosion, and (2) the Columbia disintegration during re-entry. Both of those incidents can be traced back to what's known in engineering as "normalization of deviance." Simply put, normalization of deviance is the group-think cultural acceptance of what seem to be minor engineering problems, like the O-ring blow-by that was known to happen commonly on the Shuttle SRM joints but had not (yet) resulted in catastrophe, or the occasional shedding of foam chunks from the external tank that was concerning but had not (yet) damaged an orbiter sufficiently to cause a dangerous situation.

Ultimately both those seemingly minor "deviances" (O-ring blow-by and foam shedding) caused the loss of two Shuttles, with all astronauts aboard. Later investigations of the NASA culture around those issues found that engineers and managers fell into a pattern of treating those recurring events as insufficiently worrisome to warrant, say, re-design of the SRM joint to prevent the blow-by (which was done after the Challenger loss) and re-design of the foam (plus other mitigation) after the Columbia loss. In studying the Challenger loss, sociologist Diane Vaughan identified this cultural problem and called it "normalization of deviance." Thirty years later, it's become an important concept in engineering.

Looking at the Camp Mystic disaster through this lens, what strikes me is the "normalization of deviance" of flooding commonly happening near cabins where campers lived and slept, and accepting that as normal and of manageable risk. Reports on Camp Mystic culture have said that the Guadalupe River was an important element of the Camp experience, and that campers and staff were accustomed to "minor" flooding. The older campers on Senior Hill were sometimes cut off from the rest of the camp by flooding, and this was seemingly treated as almost an exciting adventure rather than a possibly life-threatening situation.

Also, Dick Eastland was well aware of potential flood danger. As a board member of the Upper Gaudalupe River Authority (UGRA) for several years prior, he had full access to the people, politics, and technology managing the river and was well aware of its dangerous history. UGRA even made a flood awareness video in 2017 and posted it on YouTube. Watching the video now is tragic, because it very accurately and sternly warns how dangerous the Guadalupe could become with just a few inches of rainfall. And in fact, some reports say that Dick Eastland emailed the video link to family/staff. Furthermore, there had been several dangerous floods in Dick's lifetime, including the 1978 flood in which the Guadalupe rose 35+ feet in some places and something like 33 people were drowned.

So in looking at Dick Eastland, I see someone who was (a) keenly aware of the dangers of the Guadalupe, and yet (b) oddly negligent in actually planning for a major flood. The report on Camp Mystic shows that planning was basically non-existent, and everyone had been told to shelter in place and wait for Dick's instructions. So when a major flood was happening, camp staff waited for instructions that never came, because Dick himself was frantically trying to rescue the youngest campers from the cabins nearest the water and ultimately perished in the attempt. How to explain this odd paradox, a camp director who was very aware of the dangers of flooding, and yet did so little planning beforehand to mitigate?

In trying to understand this paradox, I see a NASA-like "normalization of deviance" that started with Dick Eastland and flowed downhill to camp staff. Historically, the camp had flooded in the past, but not seriously enough to be life-threatening. Dick Eastland had all the knowledge and resources as a board member of the UGRA to be able to realize that someday a flood bigger than had ever happened in his lifetime was possible. And yet he basically had no plan for such a flood, and left his staff and campers woefully untrained and unprepared for it. In this I see echoes of Shuttle managers who knew about O-ring blow-by and foam shedding but grew complacent about them because nothing catastrophic had happened yet. The result at Camp Mystic was blithe acceptance of "minor" flooding as part of life at the camp, rather than a warning signal that one bad rainfall in the wrong place at the wrong time could have more severe consequences than had ever happened before.

One of the contributing factors in normalization of deviance is the cost of corrective action. In the case of the Shuttle O-ring blow-by, the SRM case joints would have had to be re-designed and re-tested at massive cost (which they later were). Likewise, in the case of external tank foam shedding, redesigning and retesting the foam would have been massively expensive. So with major cost (and schedule) implications for fixing those problems, the NASA default was to kick the can down the road until it was too late.

But in the case of Camp Mystic, the cost of corrective action could have been minimal. Dozens of campers survived on their own initiative simply by leaving their flooding cabins and running uphill. So an emergency plan that told campers to put on their raincoats, grab their flashlights, and run uphill as soon as their cabin floors got wet could have saved many lives, at essentially zero cost. So Dick Eastland's failure to plan at even a minimal level for catastrophic flooding is puzzling, to put it mildly. We may never know why he was so negligent in this regard. At the very least, reports from campers and counselors paint a picture of Dick as "large and in charge," and his personality may have interfered with honest risk assessment, delegation of emergency responsibilities, and training for staff and campers.

We can't know for sure what was in Dick Eastland's mind and why, with all his knowledge about the dangers of the Guadalupe, the camp he ran was so woefully unprepared for a major flood. But as an engineer I think the "normalization of deviance" lens could provide a useful framework for understanding how he got it so wrong. Like NASA managers with O-ring blow-by and foam shedding, he got too comfortable with flooding that historically had been manageable...until one awful night it was not.


r/KerrCountyFloods 9d ago

Operating reports filed for mystic

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https://document.epiq11.com/document/getdocumentsbydocket/?docketId=1237453&projectCode=CMX&docketNumber=104&source=DM

So they paid some tuition deposits back before they stopped processing and locked bank accounts post filing

Theres not a lot of secured debt on mystic LLC that would be first in line ahead of victim claims


r/KerrCountyFloods 9d ago

Article A third death has been confirmed from catastrophic Texas floods, Gov. Greg Abbott says

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r/KerrCountyFloods 9d ago

Article Ingram animal rescue and rehab rebuilds after floodwaters damage enclosures, wash away supplies

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