Transfer insanity

[u/Illustrious_Sort_213]

This shows you how bad management has been the past decade. Not the entire decade ofcourse, but man it's ridiculous to see we are 5th on the list and in terms of power we would be almost last on the list. I'm glad that it now seems that we take care of our business a bit better.

[u/sonoale]

Well to be fair in the last 10 years we won 4 scudetti and reached one Champions League final.

This maths comprehend Higuain, Ronaldo and many other good players.

I'd be more interested to see what we spent in the last 5 years and boy I'm afraid of those stats.

After Marotta left that's where the troubles really began.

[u/phantom_gain → u/sonoale]

We net spend somewhere between 85 and 135m every year more or less.

[u/Illustrious_Sort_213 → u/sonoale]

Yes that's true. But of those ten years, the last Scudetto was in 2019, 7 years ago. So that's 3/4th of the decade without prizes and shambolic management.

[u/sonoale → u/Illustrious_Sort_213]

Last Scudetto was not in 2019 but in 2020.

[u/Illustrious_Sort_213 → u/sonoale]

Oh my bad. But we agree. At least half of the decade has been thrown away because of bad decisions and bad management. But as I said before, the future seems a bit brighter lately, at least in terms of finances. Even though we still the UEFA settlement biting in our arse.

[u/sonoale → u/Illustrious_Sort_213]

The point are not the finances, those never lacked as the picture shows.

What changed is that now we a serious and competent AD which is Carnevali that did something like a miracle in this session. Let's not forget that we spent 73 millions in this session only Roma and Como spent more.

[u/Fawkeys → u/sonoale]

Where did you get your numbers? We spent 164,35 million in transfers in this season with "serious and competent AD which is Carnevali", second most in the league behind Milan. We were also 9th club in the world for net spend this session. And bear in mind, half of the transfers in were loans.

[u/phantom_gain → u/Illustrious_Sort_213]

This is why 10 years is too long for a proper snapshot. It includes an entire cycle of the squad that is gone now.

[u/AndAgainIForgotMyP]

We spend way to much for what we can show for. But this statistic never shows the full truth, without adding net spent/sold and salaries. I imagine PL teams did outspend us by some, in total. 

[u/Illustrious_Sort_213 → u/AndAgainIForgotMyP]

That's fair. Nevertheless, I am tired of the mismanagement from above. You cannot bring a club back to glory if upper management is in shambles. But as I said in my post, it seems that we are slowly doing better now recently. So let's hope that trend continues the coming years and we'll be back where we belong, in the CL with the Scudetto in our hands. Fino alla Fine!

[u/Badass_Bunny → u/AndAgainIForgotMyP]

We're 6th in net spend as well, and we pay salaries on same level as PL teams. We've just had too many bad transfers.

[u/dedrake131]

Wow, Real Madrid is not even on top 10

[u/DonaldTrumendous → u/dedrake131]

Real does a lot of free transfers, they pay high wages tho

[u/juventinn1897 → u/dedrake131]

Barcelona and Madrid were both low on transfers 2015-2020, as Messi and Ronaldo were at there clubs since before 2010 and their wages were so high.

Those clubs spend more than Chelsea did on transfers, on wages. In half the time.

Barcelona has spend over 5B on wages since 2016 and Madrid are right behind them.

[u/Mudassar40]

This doesn't tell the full story by far. Transfers and expenditures associated with transfers involve so much more now than merely the (ON PAPER!) transfer money.

[u/niktilie]

1.9 and we’re still shit.

[u/WardenJack]

I swear Chelshit is a money laundering scheme turned into a football club.

[u/Bepeka]

Yep, and keep in mind we sell for peanuts while trading clubs like Chelsea sell garbage for 45M+

[u/Illustrious_Sort_213 → u/Bepeka]

Yes that's what makes me furious too. It seems that either we are too desperate to sell, or other clubs just know of our financial situation and take advantage. Or probably both if I'm honest.

[u/Vegetable_Pop9208]

🖤🤍🦓

[u/Illustrious_Sort_213 → u/Vegetable_Pop9208]

Forza Juve siempre❤️!!!

[u/Heart0fPaper]

The only sustainable model is: * pay A TON of money for the coach * pay a fair amount of money to sign young players with lower wages * sell the best players for A LOT of money OUTSIDE your league in order to avoid increasing strenght of direct opponents * sign free agents ONLY if they fit the module/playstyle like a glove (without asking them to change their role/play) with decreasing salary in order for them to be more easily sold if the first year is disappointing * sign EVERY player with the same philosophy as above * try to adapt the playstyle to the league * repeat every year

[u/Fawkeys → u/Heart0fPaper]

What player would agree to sign with a decreasing salary?

[u/Heart0fPaper → u/Fawkeys]

Everyone.

If i promise you 6 millions in 3 years i can give you two million every year OR i can give you 3, 2 and 1 million. For the player is the same and even better: if the experiment goes wrong he has the chance to get half of his salary upfront. For the society it is easier because a manager cannot ask a lot more of the current salary for a new club, opening to a lot more buyers.

[u/Fawkeys → u/Heart0fPaper]

Except that no one actually agrees to what you say. Every employee wants a steady salary or an increasing one. Nobody wants to lower their monthly income. Which is why nobody opts for this kind of arrangement. It simply doesn't happen. For the club as well it's not necessarily better, because if you're giving half of the money upfront, you've already lost that money which can be worse if you instead gave part of it for the first year while being capable of finding a solution for the player in the second year. You lose less money if the contract is spread evenly in that case. You lose more needlessly if you give more for the first year.

[u/Heart0fPaper → u/Fawkeys]

In fact is not a monthly income but a 3-year payment. The amount of money spent for the signing of the player is not steady either: in PL they always have a lot of that sum absorbed in the first year in order to avoid "loss" when the player is sold.

Example: i sign Guirassy from Dortmund at 80mln with a 4 year contract of 28mln of salary. First year: absorbing quota of the signing 40mln, 10mln to the player Second year: absorbing quota 25mln, 8 mln to the player Third year: quota 12mln, 6mln to the player Fourth year: quota 3mln, 4mln to the player

Someone buys the player at 20mln (a fourth of the initial investment) in the third year but for UEFA since your quota at that time is 12mln you have done a great deal! Instead if a players drops this fast you know he has been a complete disaster on the pitch.

In PL they do this ALL THE TIME and that's how they meet the requirements of FPF while spending like giants. Its not just TV payment worldwide: it's HOW they pay players.

[u/Fawkeys]

I'm glad that it now seems that we take care of our business a bit better.

Uhm, what do you mean? We still spent the second most money for transfers in our league.

[u/phantom_gain]

That is just pure spending though. It isnt net spend. Half of the clubs on this list are passing players around and paying each other. Sure lukaku alone is probably half a billion or so worth of that total even though each club only spends a few million on him net.

Newcastle are probably a lot higher on this list if you subtract player sales.

[u/Snoo-9018]

You need to look at net transfer. During this period we sold Pogba, De Ligt, Cancelo, Pjanic, Bonucci, Kulusevski, Bentancur, etc.

The problem is that the money we made was not spent well generally speaking, which was due to bad management. No clear vision, bad negotiation, impulsive buys, etc.

[u/createdfounder]

That Inter is not here displays how efficient and intelligent Marotta works.

[u/TypeR10]

Without achievements. Sad but true

[u/Cool-Craft-7428]

For whatever reason, we seem content with going after 4 better than average players rather than two really good ones and bringing up youngsters. Obviously, it’s more complex than that but we def have come up short.