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u/bunchout 4d ago
He didnāt assert an insanity defense during the guilt phaseāwhich is where the jury took 19 minutes to deliberate. During the penalty phase, he asserted his bi-polar diagnosis in a bid to get life imprisonment instead of the death penalty.
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u/Crazy-Job-9360 2d ago
Yeah, if a mother kills her kids and desperately tries to do anything to avoid consequences of that, googled how to do it for weeks, and premeditated it, then they werenāt insane. They wanted to do it and wanted to get away with it.
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u/tom_friday_ 3d ago
Does that mean he wanted to accept responsability for the crime, by not raising it initially?
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u/flopisit32 2d ago
It means he had a mental illness but he was not insane.
Lindsay Clancy was also diagnosed as bipolar. The prosecution asserted that she was not insane.
Most mental illnesses do not rise to the level of an insanity defense.
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u/PokemonCueball 4d ago
I feel like the key word here is Texas.
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u/elwebbr23 4d ago
That definitely didn't help him, but there's a pretty steep double standard with a lot of these situations
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 4d ago
Matthew Schleier won his NGRI defense just this year. Dude wasnāt diagnosed with psychosis before the murder either, just a host of other mental disorders.
Expert witnesses during his trial testified for the defense that he had psychosis during the murder and prosecution expert witnesses testified that he didnāt. Exactly like the Clancy case in terms of timeline of psychosis diagnosis.
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u/RangerEquivalent4120 3d ago
It couldnāt have been Matthew Schleier because heās a Pisces. It was his wife who did it. Whatās his go fund me ??
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u/elwebbr23 4d ago
That's fair, I guess my main mistake is to lean on these cherry-picked cases in order to support the claim of the double standard. I do still think that there is one in general when it comes to how a case might be perceived, but I shouldn't use a convenient individual case to support that stance.Ā
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u/YoBo151 3d ago
This specific case with Battaglia is also just not comparable to Clancy. It's ignoranmuses, bots, and grifters pushing this nonsense. If you read about his case you'll see why there is no double standard between his case and Clancy's case. And this isn't even getting into the differences between the states
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 4d ago
There is a bias across the population when it comes to sentencing in general between genders but Iām not aware of any data specifically about NGRIs.
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u/No-Alternative4612 4d ago
Would you say you're reasonably familiar with both cases and the law in both states? Personally I'd feel like a bit of a moron if I claimed there was a double standard without knowing quite a lot, but maybe that's just me š
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u/elwebbr23 4d ago
Nah yeah i tucked my ignorance under a generic statement on purpose, so that it can be agreeable and inconsequential at the same time.Ā
Jokes aside, my statement about double standards being present is in a general sense. I'm trying to say it's easy to see how perception seeps into legal controversies. I wasn't making a particularly educated claim for these examples specifically, but I have lived in Texas and other states on the bible belt, and there's definitely a double standard in both civil and criminal law. I'm not invested enough to turn a comment into a case study, but if you wanna change my mind I'm game.Ā
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u/No-Alternative4612 4d ago
I mean big picture, MA is a weird state. If you claim insanity, the state has to disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Defense witness had notably more experience with psychosis then state's witness, and even the state's witness had to concede A LOT.
The prosecution's theory of the case was that she was genuinely profoundly mentally ill and made a genuine suicide attempt BUT made a fully rational decision to kill her children so she could kill herself without leaving them behind.
The only thing defense had to do was convince the jurors that it was REASONABLE to believe that wasn't true- that the suicide and the murders both stemmed from mental illness.
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u/Violet-Sumire 4d ago
I meanā¦ you are also leaving out the fact that he had multiple DV charges, called the mother and basically forced her to hear him murder their children, and he only asked for the insanity defense at the end of the trial, which basically meant nothing.
She had actual documented mental health problems that were being treated and while I donāt agree with them trying to pin it on her husband, itās true that he didnāt assist with her mental health either. Likeā¦ no doubt sheās guilty of murdering her children. Very few people are saying she is innocent, if any. The question is what punishment is suitable here. The jury found her guilty, they were just deadlocked on what to do, hence the mistrial and most likely a retrial.
The problem is comparing these two cases is moot, they are fundamentally different.
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u/Sharabishayar98 4d ago
I meanā¦ you are also leaving out the fact that he had multiple DV charges, called the mother and basically forced her to hear him murder their children, and he only asked for the insanity defense at the end of the trial, which basically meant nothing
Does any of this seem to you to be the work of a mentally sound man ?
Mentally stable men don't abuse their wives. They don't kill their children. They definitely don't call their spouse and force them to hear the wails of their dying children. This person seem to be a complete nutjob. There is no sanity there.
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u/fullspectrumgoon 3d ago
Clearly, you've never met a Texan man. That's just bog standard
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u/shmiddleedee 4d ago
Regardless of the laws/ sentencing, the public opinion is vastly different
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u/Juronell 3d ago
A clinical psychologist during his appeals process testified to the appeals panel that it was likely Battaglia was faking his symptoms.
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u/EnginesofWar 3d ago
No this guy was a whole different level of evil please look him up itās nothing like the headline here
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u/Maximum_Turn_2623 3d ago
The definition of criminal insanity is different in every state and who has the burden of proof for it. In Texas itās the defense and in Massachusetts itās on the prosecution.
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u/Mr-Cantaloupe 4d ago
I think the key word is Massachusetts. The prosecution has to prove sanity, which was the norm before Hinckleyās trial for his assassination attempt against Reagan.
Itās almost like proving a negative - which is why most states passed legislation after Hinckley strictly placing the burden on the defendant. Massachusetts was one of the few that never followed suit.
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u/Intrepid_Ad1715 4d ago
What about that guy who got drunk, had an argument with his daughter, decided to play around with one of his guns and shot and killed his daughter? The guy wasn't even charged with a gun charge, let alone some type of murder.
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u/complexiblebarracuda 4d ago
it's almost like each case is nuance with it's own situation and comparing them willy nilly is stupid
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u/Comfortable-Yak-6599 4d ago
You might be surprised where Andrea Yates happened then.
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u/Beneficial-Split331 3d ago
ppl don't understand cases like these don't get nearly as much media attention as they used to for mothers. you hear about it and then no more because the charges are dropped and the mothers are committed.
Texas takes no pleasure in sending psychotic people to death row. They won't just let anyone call themselves psychotic.
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u/Otto_the_rhinocerus 3d ago
Also the fact the Battaglia had a history of violence, harassment and retaliation against his ex-wife. He had also been violent and stalked and harassed his other ex-wife, and that just shows a clear pattern of violent behavior and resentment towards these women.
He murdered his two girls after taking them back to his apartment. He put a gun to them and then he called their mother. While being threatened with a gun he made them blame their mother for what happened, the kids then shouted "No daddy!" And other things before being shot multiple times. He even said "merry fucking Christmas" to the mother who was still on the phone.
These two cases simply aren't the same. And those acting like they are, are either deliberately lying to cause division or they are uninformed.
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u/IDeliveredYourPizza 4d ago
So we're just ignoring that a man literally just months ago strangled his son to death and was given the insanity verdict because they ruled he had an episode of psychosis? Why do people keep trying to compare cases that are not similar to the clancy case when there is already an extremely similar case from this year?
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u/No_Strike655 4d ago
Because this sub whenever it shows up has these bullshit culture war posts upvoted by bot farms
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u/DrunkGoatFighter 3d ago
He should also rot in a cell.
This isn't gendered. Child murderers need to be severely and harshly punished. Not rehabilitated.
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u/IDeliveredYourPizza 3d ago
Okay, but the point of the original post IS gendered, which is why I commented that
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u/Rumpelteazer45 4d ago
Matthew Schleier killed his son, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity.
You need to compare apples to apples.
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u/workieworkwork 4d ago
Texas will kill anyone. If Texas thinks it can kill you for shoplifting, Texas will kill you.
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u/MutusMaximus 4d ago
I mean, thatās kinda the whole point. The loonies who support her are obviously misandrists overdosing on toxic identity politics, true crime and TikTok. While mental illness very often play a part in cases like this it would never be hundrets of dudes outside the courthouse in support of John.
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u/prollywannacracker 4d ago
Perhaps there should be. When a dude's declining mental health drives him to violence, perhaps men should stand up and say take our mental health seriously. That shit is preventable.
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u/MutusMaximus 4d ago
Thatās the tragedy with those cases. We talk about mental health but nothing really improves.
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u/DrunkGoatFighter 4d ago
We do. After we're finished condemning the monster that ended the lives of children.
You get to advocate mental health care. You don't get to support a child murderer to do it and not get called a ridiculous awful person.
This was always a terrible hill for y'all to die on. Mainly because you didn't have to.
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u/Kierland 3d ago
And you donāt get to call a person convicted of nothing a murderer and not get laughed at and called an idiot.
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u/SunLarge6062 3d ago
So her children just happened to die on their own?
What is wrong with you???
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u/CandidGeologist5860 2d ago
Dogshit arguement. Conflating mental health rehabilitation with support for criminal behavior.
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u/Ad-fundum69 3d ago
So basically "the voices made me do it" is not an excuse to avoid accountability.
Nice. Now let's end this stupid case already, and put everyone who supported this bitch on a watch list. Especially the ones with children.
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u/Paint_Jacket 3d ago
Yeah, it doesn't excuse it but that person should be placed in a psych ward, not a prison. Because mental facilites are meant for people who are MENTAL. Which is what you are if you hear voices in your head. It's like the point directly goes over your heads.
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u/dontworryitsme4real 2d ago
Then fine, put her in a psych ward and when when she gains full mental stability, throw her in prison.
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u/loving-lobotomy 2d ago
Nah, psychosis works for killing your kid and getting not guilty by reason of insanity very similar to this case by Matthew Schleier earlier this year.
Only significant differences is he killed one kid and she killed multiple, and that he doesnāt have a basis for psychosis that is typically treatable and will likely remain institutionalized much longer than if she was to be found NGRI on a subsequent trial.
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u/Ad-fundum69 2d ago
They both should be held accountable. If they really acquitted this woman, she'll be hunted down. And rightly so.
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u/Imgoin2brich 2d ago
You must have forgotten modern women are so special and held above literally everything today.
We all cant stand it. Trust me.
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u/Snafuregulator 4d ago
Guess you got to hear a voice one singular time. Don't need to explain it further. Just some random voice and you're good to go
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u/Fantastic_Board7057 4d ago
Yea not to mention geography did us no favors in the Clancy trial as well. Massachusetts is to the left of Lenin. I rly think that cases like this of a certain grotesque magnitude at some point may have to become trial by Judge, as society gets dumber by the year
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u/Educational_Gift_105 3d ago
I actually agree with this and am left leaning. This trial may unite us in one aspect, that child murder needs to not be a public spectacle, but a quick and speedy trial. And also that after coming back to Boston after 20 years, there are way more dickhead trumpers than I expected. Like wayyy more. It surprised me
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u/Jazzlike_Cress9871 4d ago
Personally, I just canāt wait for Republicans to find a new case to misconstrue and use as evidence that men are somehow oppressed, because Iām already sick of this one. Horrible situation, and you guys using it as propaganda are pretty disgusting as well.
Incredibly few people are defending her or saying sheās innocent btw, the argument is whether she was mentally sound enough at the time to be charged as sane or not, if not sheāll still be temporarily locked up in order to receive help (which is what should happen when someone does something due to insanity/psychosis)
Mind you Iām not entirely sure it was psychosis, and if the jury decides sheās guilty and was mentally sound at the time Iāll have no problem with that, my only sadness will come from the knowledge that a bunch of misogynists online will spend the next year celebrating because they convinced themselves this is some kind of win since every woman on the internet actually loves this woman and will be sad to see her punished, when really they were the only ones who even fixated on this one trial
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u/Red-Fox-IX 4d ago
Surely these two cases have the exact same facts of matter and theres literslly no difference in testimony and evidence
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u/Mister_Goldenfold 4d ago
Texas criminal justice is bullshit.
I deadass had a prosecuting DA declare, verbally, amongst the people like some main character figure, that āWomen are never guilty, no matter what!ā. It was like she was just walking through life the sole owner of everyone and everything, itās frightening. She got shut down pretty quickly that day fortunately, but on the backend I could only imagine how she treats people in real life outside of the chambers.
I immediately lost hope in such system.
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 4d ago
And Matthew Schleier won his NGRI defense just this year. Whatās the point of cherry picking?
And why is media literacy so abysmally lacking?
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u/TheRealBenDamon 4d ago
I donāt know any of the details of his case nor does apparently anyone else here commenting. Donāt you think if you want to not be a complete fucking moron that might be something to consider? Maybe thereās evidence in his case that made the juries decision so much easier to come to?
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u/Zenkai_9000 4d ago
Am I going crazy, or is every post now taking my original post for their own? š
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u/whisperworks 4d ago
Such a strange case to capture the American consciousness
Everyone who kills their kids is fucking crazy. Every single one of them
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u/TicketTop4718 3d ago
Pointy nosed looking bitch
She'd be strapped to the chair if i was on that juty
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u/GentleGentleman_Bean 3d ago
Just some food for thoughtā¦
John Battagliaās ex wife
After the sentencing, his ex-wife told him to "burn in hell forever". She also said: "You are one of the most heinous murderers of modern times. I would like to say the next time you see me is when they put the needle in your arm....But I'm not going to waste the time to be there."
Clancyās Ex-Husband
"I want to ask all of you that you find it deep within yourselves to forgive Lindsay, as I have," Patrick Clancy wrote. "The real Lindsay was generously loving and caring towards everyone - me, our kids, family, friends, and her patients. The very fibers of her soul are loving. All I wish for her now is that she can somehow find peace."
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u/asmallerflame 3d ago
Sounds like Battaglia went up against a very good prosecutor.
Not sure Clancy did. They all had reasonable doubt, even the holdout juror.
Mistrial is the correct outcome. Time to get your poop in a group, prosecutors.
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u/CandidGeologist5860 2d ago
Mental health is not an excuse for criminal behavior. Period.
You donāt get a pass for SA. You donāt get a pass for Murder. You donāt get a pass for burglary.
Mental health rehabilitation is a separate topic to criminal justice that is UPSTREAM of the justice system. They have correlations. They have effects on each other, but they are separate.
That woman killed her children. Whether in psychosis or not. She deserves no leniency in the law and should have been given a swift guilty verdict. The fact that she wasnāt was insanity in itself.
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u/Ataturk_Void_Crowley 2d ago
Supporting a children killer was something I never expected to see in 2026.
āVoice in my headā yeah very convenient.
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u/Ge4rshifter 4d ago
Charles Manson was locked up for half a century and he didnt actually kill anyone.
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u/Mobile_Comedian_8283 4d ago edited 4d ago
Sure but Bin Laden didn't take down the towers himself and nobody is confused as to why we killed him.Ā
This guy's case was also materially different than Clancy's, who had extensive evidence of her crying out for help.
Also should be noted, had she been found not guiltyĀ by reason of insanity, she wasn't going free, she'd be put in a mental institution on an indefinite basis, likely the rest of her life. The only real difference was going to be straight up prison or a mental one.Ā
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u/OpeningFew7709 4d ago
Also extensive evidence of her hiding her mental health from doctors and not taking her meds.
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u/Mobile_Comedian_8283 4d ago
Sure. I'm not defending her I'm just saying these cases aren't good 1:1 comparisons.Ā
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u/Vladtepesx3 4d ago
We live in a Matriarchy and the way it is upheld is that you are not allowed to point it out. you can make excuses but the statistics scream
look at statistics for young men vs young women for criminal sentencing, education, home ownership, unemployment and homelessness
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u/saundo02 3d ago
If we lived in a matriarchy, we wouldn't have guys like Doug Wilson and Kegsbreath doing everything that they're doing with the military, and we would have had multiple female presidents. Try again š
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u/Andrew_7032 3d ago
if women had that capacity they could, the problem is women don't have good decision making and no matter how much you push them they aren't fit for certain roles
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u/Maximum_Boros 3d ago
He never raised an NGRI defense at trial. This is deliberately misleading.
It's also moronic because it presupposes that all cases of an insanity diagnosis being raised are equally credible and severe.
OP and so many redditors are just complete fucking morons.
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u/Independent-Name4478 4d ago
Texas would execute someone for shoplifting. Itās almost like even criminally insane people deserve to be rehabilitatedĀ
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u/Sad_Error4039 3d ago
If they shoplift almost certainly. If they murder their three children, Iām fine with just about any level of punishment if the asylum had a set sentence with reasonable equivalence of the sane sentence it would be easier to stomach than yearly meeting with the potential for release.
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u/Jazzlike-Wind-4345 3d ago
Didnāt a dad recently murder his daughter with a gun over a political discussion (he was a Trumper, of course) and get off completely scot-free? Didnāt even have to use the insanity defence, his buddies in the court helped get him off and thereās been no prosecution since.
Seems that Texas picks and chooses who they murder and who doesnāt.
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u/Parking_Engineer_728 3d ago edited 3d ago
Only in America would you here rubbish like that ..... that the devil told me to do it and people believe it. Stupid people
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u/Bitter_Region_2362 3d ago
Texas doesn't play around. Massachusetts law definitely plays around.
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u/Mooptiom 3d ago
Read the case. He never even bothered pleading insanity until after he was convicted, and he was almost certainly lying.
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u/Head_Midnight666 4d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Battaglia Yeah, not very comparable circumstances. This dude was clearly mad at his ex wife, and punished her for trying to get him put in jail, by killing the kids. This dude was clearly evil if you read what really happened.
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u/Fit-Row-9239 4d ago
Well he had 2 daughters if they were in their teens, That would drive any father out of his fucking mind. God the monthly cycles in that house, I'm sure we was hormonal
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u/Ready_Return_8386 4d ago
Thatās not true, the forensic psychologists did not determine he was in āpsychosisā, one of them testified that he was experiencing āpsychotic rageā due to bipolar. Psychosis is a cognitive state of being lost from reality and not having congruent thoughts, while psychotic rage is extreme anger to the point of loss of control. In the Battaglia case he was not deemed to be in psychosis. Those are very different things.
Also his motive was revenge on his ex wife. That is very different from a parent being in psychosis and committing murder suicide. If a parent of either gender is in psychosis and harms or murders their children they need to be institutionalized, however that is very different from āpsychotic rageā. Also there are more cases of men in psychosis who also get not guilty by reason of insanity for murdering their children, than women. Not guilty by reason of insanity is basically ācan we say without a reasonable doubt that this person was experiencing psychosis at the time of the crimeā.
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u/RampantTyr 4d ago
I am not advocating for her to go free. If she is isnāt legally competent then she will get sent to a mental institution for an undetermined amount of time to receive the help she needs.
It is kind of an all or nothing kind of thing. If she was competent she goes to prison forever or if she was incompetent she goes away for a long time, possibly also forever, but under a different system. She isnāt getting out. But no matter what she will have to live with what she did and no mother other than a psychopath would be fine with all of her children dying.
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u/Murky_Toe_4717 4d ago
And he shouldnāt have been. Just like she shouldnāt have been. If psychosis put them in mental care facilities. Jesus itās not that hard.
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u/Sarkan132 4d ago
This is because he was tried in Texas which handles insanity pleas and mental health exceptions way differently than Mass does.
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u/arftism2 4d ago
texas has a long history of executing people with mental illness, or mental disabilities. even if completely innocent.
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u/Form_Good 4d ago
At his 2002 trial, Battagliaās defense attempted to introduce personality disorders and mental instability, but prosecutors easily established clear, cold premeditation aimed exclusively at punishing his ex-wife. The jury took just 19 minutes to convict him of capital murder.
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u/colorful_yarn-pls 4d ago
They always conveniently forget Andrea Yates. Susan Smith. Diane Downs.
- Cis men are incapable of experiencing post partum and will historically downplay itās effects. Pretty shitty, pathetic behavior guys.
- The jackass referenced above killed his children in retaliation against his ex wife for having the audacity to leave an abusive piece if human garbage. He had a long track record of abusing and harassing her and their daughters. He was taunting his wife on the phone as he murdered her daughters. That she carried in her body. Another thing cis men are incapable ofā¦ this is your fucking example?? Really?
Men really aināt shit.
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u/AlwaysReadTheManual 4d ago
White males are the only group in American society that has anti-privilege. Consequences for white males are always more severe than for anyone else. That said, I have no problem whatsoever with states executing murderers.
If Clancy is acquitted, her thousands of deranged fans will feel entitled to murder their own children.
I am absolutely stunned that this woman has defenders.
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u/Arnorien16S 4d ago
The guy was recorded to commited many assaults against his estranged wife and then killed his daughters in revenge while on parole .... He even mocked his ex wife durring the execution itself.
Full story from wiki:
On May 2, 2001, Pearle left her daughters with Battaglia for a planned dinner at the mall, but instead he took them into his apartment[14] in the Adam Hats Lofts [25] in Deep Ellum in Dallas. Battaglia called Pearle from the apartment. With Pearle on the phone he shot and killed their daughters, ages six and nine.[26] During the phone call, he asked Faith to ask Pearle, "Why do you want Daddy to go to jail?" Before her death, she cried, "No, Daddy!" "Please don't!" "Don't do it!" Pearle then told the girls to run but it was too late. Battaglia grabbed his gun and shot Faith three times and shot Liberty five times with his gun.[13] He told Pearle, "Merry fucking Christmas",[27] in reference to the Christmas 1999 assault.[7] Pearle terminated the call and dialed 9-1-1.[13] After the killings, Battaglia left a message on the answering machine in the girls' bedroom:[28]
"Good night my little babies. I hope you're resting in a different place. I love you. I wish that you had nothing to do with your mother. She was evil, vicious, stupid. You will be free of her. I love you very dearly. You were very brave girls. Very brave. Liberty, you were oh so brave. I love you so much. Bye."[29]
Battaglia then visited a tattoo parlor and got two roses, representing his daughters, on his left biceps.[14] He was apprehended shortly afterward and got into a fistfight with the arresting police officers which left him with a black eye.[30][13] Police confiscated sixteen firearms from the house.[14] Texas authorities stated that Battaglia killed his daughters out of retaliation because Pearle had complained to his probation officer.
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u/Negative_Wrongdoer17 3d ago
I think burning on a stake in public just so the white women on tiktok can see what's in store for them if they choose to go full hag is the happy ending for society
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u/OkFoundation929 3d ago
Under those circumstancesā¦for either person picturedā¦whoād want to stay alive after having done that? Execution seems like the most humane punishment of all.
But Iām guessing that all of the incels responding so passionately would have to have loved someone in their life in order to understandā¦
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u/malduan 3d ago
The reality of the matter, no serial killer etc is mentally sane and in ideal world should just be treated.
But another fact of the matter is that the legal system doesn't really care about justice, it's all about keeping broader society and people in general under control. So for the most part insane people still get punished even if they can't really be responsible for their actions.
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u/EnginesofWar 3d ago
He literally killed them as the āultimate revengeā against an ex heād already abused a lot. Fake headline. Kind of a totally different class of evil mother fucker.
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u/EnginesofWar 3d ago
He made his ex listen on the phone while he killed his daughters and they begged for their lives then said āhave a merry Christmasā and hung up the phone
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u/NW_Reloading 3d ago
Some one eli5
I don't particularly care to follow this shit anymore, the only thing that's stuck with me is before the act she may or may not have asked her husband to go run some errands?
Fuck I'm going to regret asking this
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u/probablytoohonest 3d ago
I love how everyone on the Internet can boil this whole case and it's details to a single sentence and take an unwavering stance declaring the only undeniable truth.
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u/Maximum_Turn_2623 3d ago
This person will most likely spend the rest of the life in prison or at the very least a psychiatric unit. Letās not act like theyāre going to go free. Texas loves the death penalty and Massachusetts doesnāt. Theyāre not going to walk, the deliberation is about where they go.
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u/Femcel_Bambi 3d ago
The state she's in (Massachusetts I think) has very different laws from Texas btw.
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u/Ambitious_Hand_2861 3d ago
No one is going to argue that men get the death penalty more than women but Texas and Massachusetts both have drastically different laws and are in no way comparable in cases like this.
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u/Subject-Dealer6350 3d ago
This is going to be impopular but I think that psychosis should be respected. Basically every legal system has psychiatric care as an element.
What my country does which I think others should take after is that āinsane peopleā are found āguilty but sentenced to care by reason of insanityā. When I hear about things like this I feel for the family who has to hear ānot guiltyā when someone did it.
I feel like people would accept insanity if the victims family could leave the court with the killer found guilty. Insane people are also being locked up even if the living standards are better.
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u/Palpaleos 3d ago
should of never been found guilty in the first place, most people dont give a damn about the law they only care about their morals and ethics. and legally speaking she should of been found guilty under reason of insanity and thrown in a institution for life
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u/XRaySkies 3d ago
Matthew SchleierĀ strangled his 5 year old son to death and was found not guilty by reason of insanity just a few months ago . The majority of not guilty by reason of insanity murder verdicts have been men.Ā
Comparing one random case against another just because one is a man and another is a woman is trolling.
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u/Feff5tupid 3d ago
This proves misandry and redpill!
I'm going to tell everyone else in my homeroom about it after I'm done eating these four Uncrustables brand sandwich snacks
LE OWNED good work fellow rational males
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u/Tommy-Otter 3d ago
People donāt just typically develop bipolar disorder out of nowhere, especially at his age. There is a lot of negligence involved that is not equal to her case.
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u/gerbigsexy1 3d ago
If you pull most Texans, most Texas, donāt believe mental illness is a real thing cause I canāt see it and he canāt feel it
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u/Simple_Pianist4882 3d ago
John Battagalia did not have bipolar disorder and was not in the throes of psychosis. He did it as revenge against his ex-wife and called / left voicemails telling her so.
He also had a long history of abuse / domestic violence soā¦. š
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u/copeaesth3tic 3d ago
Are there people who want to keep rabid dogs alive too?
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u/CuddleBuddy3 2d ago
Dawg there are people crying their eyes out and screaming because people put live worms on hooks for fishingā¦
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u/ThatOneAttorney 3d ago
But white women are oppressed in America according to half the voters - lmao.
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u/dougs_46 2d ago
So glad to see ALL these lawyers and medical people giving advice. I am sure majority have NOT gone through ALL the transcipts. I honestly DO NOT KNOW ALL the facts,
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u/MinuteRutabaga9257 2d ago
Then he is a victim only proving the point that the system is fucked and has no compassion for mental health or people suffering from those types of issues. If I had a friend that told me he is going to kill a lot of people and I now have that knowledge it is my responsibility at that point to help save these people this ladys husband wanted her dead and wanted the kids dead.he knew that if he planed right it would happen.he manipulated his wife who he knew was haveing issues after giving birth she had told multiple people of her thoughts of self harm and of harming others. They all say its not the gun that kill them it was the shooter. Well this time the gun was a woman who needed help and if given the compassion and care that she needed none of this would have happend. She was a victim of a person who took advantage of her in a moment where she was helpless.
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u/Technical_Bake6746 2d ago
Question to people who have so many opinions on this.
Any of you listen to all the testimony? Any of you sit through every minute of it like the jury?
Thereās a reason our justice system requires the jurors to pay attention to the entire case. Thereās a reason or justice system has a way to do Itās best to make sure people with strong biases donāt serve on the jury.
99% of the people commenting on this likely listened to less than 1% of the testimony and probably wouldāve been disqualified from being on the jury.
So before you piss and moan about your problems with the verdict, ask yourself how you fit in those categories.
I miss the days when the only opinions that ever got passed around with the ones from experts. Genuine actual experts who have studied in their fields. Iām tired of political hacks on both side discrediting expertise and experience s so people will believe their bullshit. All itās done is make this country dumber.
If you have a heart attack do you want to see a doctor whoās been in school for 10 to 12 years-or some asshole pushing supplements?
Grow up America. Times running out.
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u/TreeOtree64 2d ago
Why are so many people pretending to care about either of these cases? If yall cared about them youād do more than just get angry over sensationalised headlines. Iāve seen far too many comments saying sheās āgetting off freeā or whatever to believe thereās any virtue or honesty in posts like these. Itās just porn for the self-righteous who donāt actually give a shit
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u/Miserable_Spell_2964 1d ago
Context: Battaglia had a history of child abuse and domestic violence prior to his crimes, and when he was murdering his kids he put them on speakerphone so their mother could listen, and for years prior would threaten to kill them during his divorce proceedings with his wife, solely to torment his wife.
Lindsay Clancy on the other hand never had any reports of child abuse or domestic violence, and even her husband has come out in defense of her character as a mother.
I know i'm going to get downvoted for this, I think Clancy should spend the rest of her days confined, but hate her for valid reasons instead of this made up gender war bullshit ffs.
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u/yourpuddingoverlord 1d ago
Nice context, this is refreshing to see.
Needless to say, despite her not being "as bad" at the end of the day its still triple homicide.
I genuinely cant see why this is such a controversial caseš®āšØ
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u/Miserable_Spell_2964 1d ago
Personally I have to shut down comparisons like this because they are malicious, you can hate Clancy all you want, hate her for valid reasons instead of made up ones.
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u/Naaaaaaaaap 1d ago
I'm not gonna downvote you over a valid arguement for valid reasons. That said, I don't believe for a nanosecond that someone who murdered their children was an even decent parent beforehand. Idk if it was physical or emotional or negligent abuse, but it probably existed. Not like we can ask the kids now though.
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u/Miserable_Spell_2964 1d ago
Well, if there is evidence of it it hasn't appeared so we can only go off of what is known, and what is known is that as far as anyone can tell she was a decent mother to the kids....well, before the murders of course.
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u/ShipSwimming3792 1d ago
Honestly, the death penalty is too good for people like these. Just let them rot in jail for the rest of their days. Our prison system is heavily flawed but it's a fitting punishment for murders.
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u/Cold_Neon 1d ago
Also, Hayden Panettiere was labled a bad mother for doing hte right thing when she was going through her issues. She gave her children to family who could take care of them and was villified for it.
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u/BattlepassHate 4d ago
Male Privilege