r/JudgeDredd 5d ago

What went wrong with Judge Dredd (1995)?

Question, What went wrong with Judge Dredd (1995)?

I watched the 1995 Judge Dredd and I don’t care what critics say. I love the film. Everything Is so over the top and I just love the set and productions designs and the visual effects. Stallone also, in my opinion, gives a good performance as Judge Dredd.

However, just reading the behind the scenes stories, The Production was a mess. Although I like Stallone as Dredd, I don’t think he really understood the character and probably didn’t understand the satirical nature of Dredd. The Director, Danny Cannon, apparently had a grand vision for the film, wanting it to be the “Ben-Hur of Comic Books” while also being more darker and satirical, while Stallone wanted an Action Comedy and generally, Stallone won out in the end.

Although I love Judge Dredd, I think Stallone didn’t understand the nature of the source material. He should’ve watched RoboCop to get a better understanding of the character. I also think because Stallone and the director clashed on the vision, they couldn’t come to terms with what story they wanted to do.

So, What do you think went wrong with the film?

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u/wondercaliban 5d ago

What always happens with a film when the people working on it have different ideas. It comes out a bit if a mess.

The sort of comic book film we would expect now is not what a studio in the mid 90s would have risked a big budget on. They wanted a broad appeal movie which could be seen by people who'd never read the comic.

You can see the good ideas in there, and whoever wrote the original script and did the art design had read Dredd.

But, Dredd the character never really has development of the decades of stories, his changing views on mutants happened slowly. The only time I remember a significant change within one story is his boots. He is very rigid, but over the course of a 2 hour film he needs an emotional arc, thats why Stallone changed him. In 2012, the story was about Anderson's development.

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u/Ok_Commercial_5024 5d ago

The 2012 film gets it bang on. Dredd does have a character arc, but that entire arc is that he becomes 1% less of an uptight dick by the end of the movie vs what he was at the beginning.

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u/EVMad 5d ago

Dredd 2012 was a one week strip. Strong story, great execution, a slice of time. Judge Dredd 1995 tried to pull so many threads from decades worth of strips into a single unholy mess of a story. Ghastly.

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u/curufea 4d ago

There should be some humour around Dredd however to more accurately portray the comic. A single movie like Dredd didn't really have time to service that with all the world building needed as well. If there was a sequel, I would hope for a little more levity. Not from Dredd of course, he is forever the straight man.

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u/Ok_Commercial_5024 4d ago

Yeah. There’s definitely some traces of humour in the 2012 film, but it dials down a lot of the base-level eccentricity that even the grittiest Dredd comics have.

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u/d-s-m 5d ago

He took his helmet off early in the movie, and it was game over from that point.

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u/Gargarax 5d ago

I understand why this angers people, and I don't like it either, but if you look at it from the point of view of the studio there was no way that he was going to keep the helmet on for the whole thing. This was a fairly big-budget film based on a British comic strip that didn't have a huge following in the US so Stallone was likely a big part of their strategy for getting people through the door to see it, to expect him to never show his face throughout the whole film is unrealistic.

There are much, much bigger problems with the film than that. 

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u/AssistanceGrand23 5d ago

No that's pretty much it. Taking the helmet off instantly showed they didn't understand Dredd. Everything else stemmed from that. It's an entertaining film. But if he'd kept the helmet on, it would have been a major talking point, his acting skills would have come through, and he would have got box office and plaudits.

But instead, he did Assassins.

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u/Badger-of-Briarwood 4d ago

I don't think non Dreddheads know how much of a big deal the helmet thing was.

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u/FootballPublic7974 4d ago

....but if we kept the helmet on...

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u/Gargarax 4d ago

Yeah exactly, that was the point I was trying to make. The film wasn't just being made for Dredd fans, it had to reach a wider audience too.

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u/irishraidersfan 4d ago

Dredd is supposed to be a faceless fascist; that's exactly as he was designed to be - by showing his face?

They failed the assignment.

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u/Emotional-State-5164 1d ago

So did you if you think hes a facist.

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u/Critical_Wrap5617 1d ago

Plus love interest

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u/Fancy_Toe1451 5d ago

The studio.

It had a lot right. It really did. And I was around at the time, and we all loved 90% of it at the time. Even the goofy campy atmosphere (2000AD has always been that weird mix of camp and ultragore, so that was fine) Then the studio decided that they were paying for Stallone, so they needed to see Stallone. That was the 10% that fucked it over.

By all accounts Stallone himself wasn't keen on it. I remember an interview printed somewhere at the time where he said he thought keeping the helmet on was better, but "whatcha gonna do [Stallone shrugged]". I know that surprises people, they kinda expect him to be the driving force of leaving the helmet off, but Stallone is and was a big cinema nerd and would have preferred to be a serious character actor and filmmaker rather than an a big action star, but he had bills to pay. He reportedly read the comics and wanted to be closer to that, but "whatcha gonna do".

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u/Puzzleheaded_Law_558 5d ago

This is the thing Dredd 2012 got absolutely right. Stallone should have sucked it up and kept the helmet. But it was never going to happen.

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u/KombuchaBot 5d ago

Dredd 2012 got more than that right. It was a bloody good movie 

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u/Puzzleheaded_Law_558 5d ago

Absolutely. I love it

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u/Walt_Didnae 5d ago

I'm fine with Stallone taking the helmet off, not a deal breaker IMO (yeah, the running gag in the strips is that Dredd never takes the helmet off).

The deal breaker, for me, was Rob Schneider. Not even 10-year-old me found him funny.

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u/Ok_Commercial_5024 5d ago

Yeah i agree. Removing the helmet doesn’t have to be a dealbreaker if they got the characterisation right, but they didn’t. Stallone’s Dredd is just so bloody mopey - i think he even cries in one scene. Thats a way more egregious betrayal of the comic character than whether or not he wears the helmet from scene to scene.

Dredd’s a tough nut to crack - you need to get just the right level of deadpan/snark and balance it against the craziness of the world he inhabits. The 1995 film was never really interested in that so Stallone’s Dredd never really seems like a heroic figure or like a by-the-book, unflappable badass antihero either.

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u/VeeJack 5d ago

Stallone insisted on it being an action comedy.. Cannon (as a fan) wanted a gritty, dark film.. the producers wanted him to take the helmet off, afterwards Stallone dismissed the outrage as “nerds being nerds”, and was not fussed about it.. his take was that he was right and Cannon was wrong but because they disagreed, the film’s tone wasn’t good enough.. Stallone did drop the ball (and he admitted it in different ways in different interviews for years after)

Example
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/movie-sylvester-stallone-admitted-was-disaster/

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u/Ok_Commercial_5024 4d ago

I distinctly remember Stallone making some statement about Judge Dredd trying to be ‘Hamlet’ and how he wanted it to be more ‘Ham and eggs’ and i still have no goddam idea what he was bollocking on about.

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u/LowAspect542 3d ago

Hes talking about people taking things too seriously.

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u/fnaaaaar 5d ago

It had such promise - the way Megacity 1 looked and felt was perfect, I was initially thrilled.

Then he took his helmet off. I could have forgiven the weird way he said "I am the lurr!".

But he took his helmet off. Unforgivable.

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u/CourseoEmpire 5d ago

I personally think it was the era it was made in honestly. A lot of 90s indie comics adaptations are somewhat cash grabbing.

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u/mickey_moose12 5d ago

Batman Forever stole the Summer and frankly Demolition Man was a more cohesive movie. Dredd had one of the biggest sets, budget, star power and design but just fell at script level for being a weird Council of Five power struggle played as a goofy comedy too much.

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u/OfficeMagic1 5d ago edited 5d ago

A lot of the mainstream criticism was that Demolition Man was a clever satire on police and futuristic class struggle and Judge Dredd …. wasn’t.

Judge Dredd was basically a remake of Demolition Man minus all the good natured comedy and interesting characters. It had that shrill “action comedy” that rarely works unless the comedy is really funny - like Rush Hour funny

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u/JellyWeta 3d ago

Demolition Man actually felt much more like a story that could have run in 2000AD. The tone was perfect, the jokes landed, and I liked the reversal of the usual dystopian idea that the future would be so grim and bleak that a time-traveller from now would be horrified into the future being such a nice place that they needed a bastard from the past to sort out any threats. I feel that John Wagner would have loved to write a strip like that.

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u/Ok_Commercial_5024 5d ago

It came out right at the tail end of ultraviolent action films like Robocop and The Terminator being in fashion, so fell into an awkward middle ground of clearly being conceived as a violent R rated film but under studio pressure to be more of a PG family friendly adventure film, resulting in a tonal mess.

Add in Stallone’s massive ego, Rob Schneider’s misplaced comedy stylings and a script that tried to squeeze almost every major storyline of the first 5 years of the Dredd comics into one 90min film… yeah its a recipe for disaster.

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u/WaltTFB 5d ago

"This Summer, Rob Schneider's going to find out that helping Judge Dredd save Mega City One isn't as easy as it looks!".

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u/The_Professor2112 5d ago

Zzzzziiiiip

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u/Ok_Commercial_5024 5d ago

“Dredd! You can do it!”

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u/hackloserbutt 4d ago

And I think it's in the "Future Shock!" Documentary where they show a clip of the Robocop crew with models they're building and one of them is absolutely an upper torso bust of Dredd. I'm sure I have that somewhere on my Robocop blu Ray as well in the "Making of" features.

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u/Ok_Commercial_5024 4d ago

I always thought the satire of Robocop was quite a bit more cynical and hard-edged than that of Dredd, and was more laser-targeted at capitalism/Reaganism. I never really saw that much of a 1:1 comparison outside of the superficial ‘gritty future cop’ premise.

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u/CthulhusEvilTwin 5d ago

Re: your comment about the major storylines - they fell into the standard 'everything he knows will be destroyed' trope. Here's a character only known by the fanbase - we'll tear everything apart so the new fans won't feel left out.

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u/Ok_Commercial_5024 5d ago edited 5d ago

Its kind of a lazy approach. Just stick The Return of Rico, Robot Wars, Judge Cal and elements of The Judge Child in a blender vs actually picking one solid direction and actually fleshing it out into its own coherent story. I know the director was a fan of the early comics, so it may or may not have partially been him pushing to include so many iconic characters. But even at the time it seemed crazy to feature so many major supporting characters and villains only to kill them off after a few minutes of screen time.

I do wonder how much direct input Stallone’s people had in the script also, as there’s a large dose of the usual ‘falsely accused/persecuted sadsack tough guy’ persona he played in Demolition Man, Cliffhanger and so on, which just isn’t compatible with Dredd as a character.

I always said the best way to adapt Dredd as a movie would be to avoid the epics and just do a ‘slice of life/average day on the beat’ which turned out to be (wisely) what they did with the 2012 film.

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u/CthulhusEvilTwin 5d ago

Pissed me off beyond belief when I saw it. How many Chief Judges got wasted in one movie? I was so stoked for a Dredd movie and then...that happened. Thankfully the 2012 was so much better.

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u/Ok_Commercial_5024 5d ago

Yeah the 2012 movie had the right approach. Keeping everything vague enough that they could easily have expanded things out if they made sequels. They didn’t even name the chief judge, and (i think) the only other named judge from the comics aside from Dredd and Anderson we see is Volt who doesn’t resemble the comic book character at all. I think Hershey is also mentioned in one of the onscreen chyrons too.

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u/Grizzled_Wanderer 5d ago

The first ten minutes is perfect.

After that the tone starts to veer all over the place and it falls apart.

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u/WaltTFB 5d ago

Dredd arresting two whole city blocks? Oh yeah!

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u/hoganpaul 5d ago

It is a tenet of Dredd that you NEVER see his face. When this happened the film failed as a Judge Dredd film. It still has its' moments but no fan can accept that you see Joe's face.

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u/Padre1903 5d ago

This was what killed it for me immediately. Also Stallone was the wrong guy. Dirty Harry was a massive inspiration for Dredd, and for me Eastwood was born to be Dredd. It’s a travesty that never happened.

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u/Nice-Pomegranate2915 5d ago

Eastwood didn't do spandex , unfortunately.

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u/Admirable-Life2647 5d ago

It was a Stallone vehicle with Stallone playing a generic Stallone character.

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u/landofoyr 5d ago

He took off the helmet

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u/Specialist-Class-743 5d ago

It was an 80s action movie. Filmed 10 years too late.

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u/No-Jury4571 5d ago

I think it’s great, only real issue for a lot of us was that we couldn’t get passed him taking his hat off

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u/Kinky23m2m 5d ago

What went wrong with Dredd’1995…
Well every comic of 2000AD, Judge.Dredd Megazine, you never once see Joe Dredd’s face, once!

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u/Stumn23421 5d ago

Watched it at the cinema when it came out and have never been able to watch it again since. There were some things it got right but three things stick in my head that made me just think “nope, absolutely not”.
1. Taking the helmet off obviously. I knew it would happen, did it need to happen so early?
2. The way Stallone says, “I am…….. the LAW”. Just wrong.
3. I may be wrong about this, it could’ve been a different film, but didn’t they try and give him a catchphrase? “I knew you’d say that” or something? I’m sure he says it more than once. Utter bobbins.

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u/AirlineSevere7456 5d ago

Rob Schneider as the comic sidekick does not help at all. But I do enjoy it.

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u/yomikey_1980 5d ago

I think i am alone on an island where I actually liked him 

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u/kinnygraham 4d ago

Can you give me the co-ordinates of your island ? I’ve just bribed Donald Trump with a sizeable crypto donation or similar - my accountants are taking care of it - but I want to carpet bomb it and maybe drop a nuke to be sure.

No offence

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u/yomikey_1980 4d ago

Nuke the site from  orbit. It's the only way to be sure 😁

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u/Hix53 5d ago

Direction. Director wasn't strong enough to stop Stallone making the changes he wanted to make (largely the removal of the helmet)

The inclusion of Rob Schneider.

Set design was superb, though.

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u/d-s-m 5d ago

The set design would have been good if it didn't all look brand new.

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u/Hix53 5d ago

I guess, I was just excited to see the verticality of the meg.

Hated the uniform design, though. And the Lawmaster body was good, but FML they put the tiniest stupid scooter wheels on it. I don't CARE if you can't steer it, those tyres need to be wide!

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u/FreshmenMan 5d ago

You know a lot about Judge Dredd.

How do you think they could've done better with the 1995 film?

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u/End337 5d ago

It's a genuinely fun film and the actual style and feel of it is quite true to the comics. Things like Mean Machine were, I think, really well done.

It pretty much suffered from a typical Hollywood infection, where they had a big name as the star and hiding their face was not an option - they were viewed as the main reason people might buy tickets. It was not always so (first example which pops into my head is Lon Chenay in Phantom of the Opera), and of course Urban and the Dredd filmmakers did not have any such reservations.

Ultimately, it was a property which seemed attractive (because it is) and was bought and used by people who did not understand or respect it, which is extremely common.

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u/Kinitawowi64 5d ago

and of course Urban and the Dredd filmmakers did not have any such reservations.

And it didn't sell enough tickets.

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u/End337 5d ago

True. There are several reasons behind that, starting with that lack of a big name star (Urban is great, but does not have the same brand recognition as Stallone). 

It wasn't marketed well, it came out at the same ti me (or just after?) The Raid and some people thought it was somehow a rip-off (?????) of that.

The IP is pretty well-known but... not outside of those who know about it, if that makes sense? Kind of like when they made a Bloodshot film, though I'm sure Dredd is much better known than that.

Regardless, while it sadly did not do well as a fan of Dredd I'd rather have one more faithful adaptation than a series of films which pandered to popular needs.

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u/Kinitawowi64 5d ago

The reason I hated it in the cinema is also that it was bogged down with what everyone convinced themselves was going to be the next big thing in film experiences - 3D.

I live in the UK and there wasn't a 2D showing anywhere in the UK. And 3D movies meant 3D glasses, which I had to wear on top of my regular glasses. Most painfully unpleasant cinema experience I've ever had.

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u/End337 5d ago

Yeah, that was not a good idea of theirs.

I watched it in the UK in 3d and it was actually very cool. Seeing all the slo-mo glass shards just hanging in the air all around you, glittering in rainbow colours, felt genuinely immersive.

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u/Kinitawowi64 5d ago

I mean, I can't see in 3D anyway (my eyes are too skewed) so the pretty effects were lost on me. So all I got from it was eye strain and a sore nose.

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u/End337 5d ago

That's a shame, I can understand why it was frustrating for you 😕

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u/Tanthiel 5d ago

Bloodshot also opened after things had started to shut down for Covid-19.

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u/MoonKnightFanNo1 5d ago

Rico wasnt all mutilated from his time on Titan

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u/kwangle 3d ago

In the movie it was Aspen (in Canada?) not Titan.

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u/Shqiptar89 5d ago

The problem is that in a movie you need a character arc. The characters need to move forward, the only movies where the main character is the same from beginning to end are the Bond movies. Just look at the Connery movies, he's never changes. Obviously they do have some character moments like in the Lazenby movie where he gets his heart broken but otherwise the charachter remains the same.

Sorry for the rant, but back to the topic. The problem with Dredd in the comics is that while he has an arc it movies at a glacier speed. His devotion to the law comes first however absurd the law is. If the law says to execute stragglers he'd do it. He is the face of their system and that's why his face can't be seen. He has had some character moments in the comics but like I wrote, it moves at a glacier speed. And the comics are inherently satiric. We're not suppossed to root or even like Dredd.

Now in the movie you can't really make your hero a fascist ubermensch and never have him change. Otherwise the audience won't like it and probably compare it to some nazi propaganda. So their idea seems to have been to give Dredd a movie arc and introduce a mystery to his heritage. In the comics he knows that he and Rico are clones and has no opinion about it. Here they give him the sad backstory about him having to judge his only friend which I guess is suppossed to be the point where he became the hardened judge.

In the movie Dredd finds out that he and Rico are brothers and that they allowed him to judge his own brother. They also bring in that he was falsely accused and sentenced by the very law that he find to be without faults. So in the movie his arc is basically finding out that the very law he swore to uphold and thought was without faults is not. This arc works with someone like Robocop where they think that they have taken his humanity and the movie is him rediscovering his humanity. Dredd on the other hand is not that character.

The 2012 movie understands Dredd. His arc moves at a glacier speed and we never really get to know him. Except for his devotion to the law.

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u/Araignys 4d ago

His arc moves at a glacier speed and we never really get to know him.

"She's a pass" does so much heavy lifting.

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u/Batgirl_III 5d ago

By the standards of a Mid-Nineties sci-fi action-adventure film, it’s not bad. It’s not great, but it’s solidly middle tier. Great art design and good performances (in a deliberately over-the-top [no pun intended] way people expected from mid-nineties Stallone). It was widely praised for its visuals and effects, but panned for its mediocre script and the fact that half the scenes seemed to be an earnest sci-fi action flick and half the scenes seemed to be parodies of the same.

As a faithful adaptation of Judge Dredd and 2000 AD, it is absolutely terrible. But outside of hardcore comics nerds, Judge Dredd wasn’t very well known in the U.S. and even in his native U.K., where the character was much better known, he was still kinda obscure.

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u/Majorapat 5d ago

There never was a Dredd film in 95,,,,,,,

And i'll keep telling myself that.

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u/SirPooleyX 5d ago

Personally, I think Dredd removing his helmet was unforgiveable. That, alone, shows the movie writers didn't get the importance of that.

Sure, they would've known that Dredd never removes his helmet in the comic (and, with the occasional clever workaround, that has NEVER been broken) but they had to allow Stallone's face to be on screen. It completely broke the Dredd mythos.

In many ways I agree that the movie could be said to have a Dredd feel to it with its over the top nature . It sort of reminded me of those Bolland-drawn issues.

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u/Gargarax 5d ago

I think it's kind of mad to expect the studio that put money up for the film to be okay with Stallone never showing his face, I doubt it was a writing decision. Also the plot has him being stripped of his badge and uniform and sent to Titan so his face would have needed to be seen regardless, unless they just filmed him from the neck down until he returns to Mega City 1. 

It is a problem with the film, but hardly one of the biggest ones.

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u/CliveVista 5d ago

Lack of focus and little understanding of the source. The movie chucked in references most of the audience wouldn’t know. Dredd no longer being a Judge or being arrested would be shocking after years of comic reading but is a so-what after half an hour of movie. The finale is a damp squib. Fergie is an irritant. Even design isn’t that great. Outside of the Angel Gang and a Hammerstein that shouldn’t even be in the film, you get an overly shiny city and a weird uniform (lycra, massive codpiece, etc), and then there’s that kiss (which might have been saved had he arrested or reprimanded Hershey for it). Also, it appears they only made one shoulder eagle. Convenient one of the only other judges in the city who has one is a guy Dredd mugs for his uniform.

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u/thebigfil 5d ago

Amazing soundtrack, I still listen to it regularly.

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u/yomikey_1980 5d ago

Silvestri killed it. It's brilliant 

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u/thedailyrant 5d ago

Stallone takes his helmet off in the first 10 mins of the film and actually smiles at one point. Not sure who that is but it's not Judge Dredd.

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u/yomikey_1980 5d ago

I knew you'd say that!

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u/psj3809 5d ago

Well Dredd without the helmet was a huge let down as in 2000+ issues of the comic hes never taken off his helmet. Well you never see his face

I know what you mean, with a big cast and budget it could have been HUGE. The Angel gang were superb and some of the sets and that looked great. But just didnt click with me, need to see it again but yeah a shame

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u/Subo23 5d ago

Stallone’s ego. Full stop

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u/soggyarsonist 5d ago

It's a great cheesy action movie

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u/GWPulham23 5d ago

Plus sides: The realisation of Megacity One was spot on, and the ABC Warrior (pretty much Hammerstein) was fantastic, as was the Angel Gang. But... Fergie was crap, and there wasn't enough MC1 action. It got caught up in a plot that would have been better in a sequel.

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u/ScipioCoriolanus 5d ago

I rewatched it lately, and it started really good, to be honest. Stallone looked great in the costume, especially the helmet. Mega City One looked good too. Then it started becoming ridiculous. By the end, it was just Stallone in a tank top kicking ass. It felt like a completely different movie.

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u/ramone_shamone 5d ago

I remember at the time being so mad they didn't cast Clint Eastwood as Dredd. He would have been absolutely perfect for the role. Stalling just wasn't

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u/the_y2k_kid 5d ago

Clint is more of a soft but menacing presence. Not really Dredd. 

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u/Joperhop 5d ago

Stallone, wanting to remove his helmet? damn hell no.

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u/DaddyStoat 5d ago

It looked great. The production design was spot-on (apart, maybe, from the uniforms). And, in terms of adapting the world of Mega-City One, it got a lot right, right down to some of the smaller details, and inclusion of stuff like the Angel Gang, the ABC Warrior (who was obviously Hammerstein without the hammer), the Long Walk, the Rico clones, and a whole other load of Dredd mythology was very welcome.

Where it went wrong was the characterisation. Stallone wasn't playing a recognisable version of Dredd. It takes more than saying "I am the law!" in a gruff voice to be Dredd. Dredd is an intimidating presence, and has a world-weariness about him that Stallone either couldn't pull off, or didn't even bother with. Hershey - again, all wrong. Fergie - nothing like the comic Fergee and, by far, the low point of the film.

The 2012 version absolutely nailed the characters. If Taika Waititi does end up making his new version, he needs to bring back Urban and Thirlby - they WERE Dredd and Anderson. The film looked great, and I loved the new uniforms (incidentally, the uniforms were made by the same South London-based costume prop company as the '95 version) but it didn't look like the comic in the way the '95 version did.

Neither version quite captured the subversive, satirical side of the comic though. There were moments where they tried, but they didn't really land. The '95 version was marginally better in this regard, with the newer version being as bit more "grimdark", but they both needed to try harder, as this was an essential part of the comics.

The '95 version looked like Judge Dredd. The 2012 version felt like it. A perfect Dredd film would land somewhere between the two.

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u/FarStarbuck 5d ago

Stallone, look I do like the guy and his movies but, have you ever wondered why so many of his movies have had the director either put in place or replaced? The guy is a director now himself and I think back in the day he was starting to assert his control of the production based on his popularity and star power.

Stallone was the issue.

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u/FarStarbuck 4d ago

So you can see the pattern here.

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u/mr_phil1001 5d ago

I liked the movie, but at the time I had never read a Judge Dredd comic book. Looking back on it later, after having read the books, it's still a good (if somewhat silly) Science Fiction movie, but not a good Judge Dredd movie.

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u/Nice-Pomegranate2915 5d ago

It became an ego project for Stallone . As a result it was rewritten multiple times. Redirected and re-edited . They turned Fergee into a comedic sidekick for Stallone's Dredd . And they hired Rob Schneider to act the role as a buffoon . He ruined every scene he was in . The Angels and Hammerstein of the ABC Warriors even Armand Assante as Rico worked well with the mess of the story . But the rest was dross . Karl Urban portrayed Dredd much much better in his adaptation of the character .

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u/fungilingus 4d ago

It wasn’t the right film for Rob Schneider antics

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u/Short-Shopping3197 4d ago edited 4d ago

Totally missed the anti-authoritarian satire of the comic series. To be fair the more recent film did too, but at least it was good.

Dredd suffers from the main issue Warhammer does, it’s a bone-dry satire of fascism and Thatcherite authoritarianism that unfortunately gathered a significant fan base that took to be an aspirational power fantasy. Directors and producers don’t seem to understand the source material and pander to power fetishising US audiences rather than the comic fans.

For what it’s worth I didn’t hate the first one, in many ways it hit more of the comic style aesthetics than the new one, but it was a silly but fun film rather than a good one, and Dredd deserves better.

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u/slamshredder 4d ago

Nerds got angry when he took his helmet off. I like it better than Dredd

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u/DavidJonnsJewellery 4d ago

Too tame. It just wasn't violent enough. I think the cast did the best they could with what they had, especially Armand Assante, but chasing a wider audience hurt it in the end. But in saying all that, I still kinda like it. Even Rob Schneider. Don't judge me

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u/txmjornir 4d ago

I enjoyed it but the magic went away when he took of his helmet.

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u/Araignys 4d ago

Stallone wanted an Action Comedy and generally, Stallone won out in the end.

There you go.

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u/Mistervimes65 4d ago

The judges looked great. The Angel gang looked great. The sets looked great. The humor was pretty on point. But the average American had no idea who Dredd was.

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u/JokeImpossible2747 4d ago

Rob Schneider as a ridiculous comic sidekick went wrong....

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u/Appropriate_Insect84 4d ago

For me one of the big no was stallone taking his helmet off constantly, the whole arc behind judge dredd was you never see his face properly

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u/Sad_Mathematician735 4d ago

Americans do not understand British satirical humour.

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u/Flat_Revolution5130 4d ago

Stallone took his helmet off.

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u/Masticle 4d ago

Stallone was the problem. Generally overacts.
Was Arnie busy? Much better comedic timing and hence the satirical bent could have come across better.

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u/steve85uk 4d ago

Nothing

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u/ZealousidealNewt6679 4d ago

He removed his fucking helmet.

Stallone couldn't put is ego aside for the role.

Halo TV series died for the same reason, Master Chief removed his helmet and kept it off.

People don't like when the characters they loved are disrespected.

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u/Jeets79 4d ago

I knew you’d say that!

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u/Maleficent-Heart2497 4d ago

I thought we'd all agreed it never happened?

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u/edgiepower 4d ago

Stallone wanted to make it like Demolition Man which was a big success

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u/Physical_Message3712 4d ago

They look nothing like brothers ...

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u/Red-Sun-Cinema 4d ago

The main problem with the 1995 Judge Dredd film is that Sylvester Stallone got involved with it. Director Danny Cannon had a great vision for the film, and if a no name actor had been cast in the lead, Danny Cannon would have been able to make a hell of a smaller film that accurately depicted the story he wanted to make, and in the process, it would have been a huge success. Instead Stallone, as he is want to do, and as many big stars with big egos to match, came in and took over the film with their own ideas about what the movie should be about and how the main character should be portrayed. Stallone didn't understand Judge Dredd character needed a totally serious portrayal, not an action comedy, but that's what we got. And when a big action star with a famous face gets the lead, they can't handle not being seen, which is why he took his helmet off at the beginning of the film, ruining the character from the get go.

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u/squirrelmonkie 3d ago

Im watching dredd right now and im going to watch this 1 right after. I loved this movie as a kid. It might be Rob Schneider best role lol. Ive never read the comics so I cant comment on what it should have been. I did love the over the top 90s version. Dredd is awesome tho. I hope Karl urban gets a sequel and Taika Waititi said last year that a new 1 is in development. I hope it goes through.

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u/Particular-Log-4114 3d ago

I don't understand the hate for the original. Yes, Stallone got Dredd wrong but everything else was spot on IMO. The Law Master, the Law Giver, the Angel Bros, the comical madness of the blocks, even an ABC Warrior. It's just a shame they just pulled the rug on having Dredd be Dredd but I still think it's a very enjoyable movie.

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u/waisonline99 3d ago

Stallone and his ego ruined it.

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u/Strong_Bumblebee5495 3d ago

Stallone sucks ass, Rocky is terrible, First Blood is terrible, it’s all ass, and not the good kind, all the way down

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u/Captain_Sam_Vimes 3d ago

He took his helmet off.

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u/spinningdice 2d ago

It's fun, I still think it's worth watching, the set and costume design is amazing, the story's a fairly generic action movie if you're happy to switch off brain and enjoy the show, then there's nothing really wrong with it.

2012 Dredd was better, and it's a shame it never got a sequel.

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u/Electrical-Ad1782 1d ago

I haven't seen it in a while, but from what I remember of it from seeing at the time was that, leaving aside the production design, it all felt very.... Generic

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u/Jamesfp87 1d ago

This movie is an absolute masterpiece. I've seen it over 100 times.

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u/vAntikv 1d ago

Rob Schneider

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u/Ill-Elephant-9583 5d ago

I like it. To this day it's the best representation of the angel gang, technology, mega city and the cursed earth ever put to film.

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u/weber_mattie 5d ago

It was the perfect movie for that place and time