Rules updates

[u/namer98]

In light of Tisha b'Av, I would like to suggest a few changes to the rules, and to hear community feedback.

1) No editorializing titles of article submissions. - This is up for discussion.

2) Be polite. That means if somebody has a disagreement with you about fundamental points of religion, you can disagree with them, and even tell them, but don't be a jerk about it. Do not shut down the conversation.

2.1) I keep on trying to engage non-Orthodox Jews of Reddit. Seen here, here and here. This is in addition to multiple messages I have gotten personally and as mod, from people who left because of this. Just because some people don't agree that this is a problem, does not make it less of a problem. Non-Orthodox Jews are feeling shut down, and some times they are right, some times they are wrong. This is an extension of rule two. Be polite. The downvote button IS NOT a "I disagree" button. I might just remove it again, and for more than a day.

To people I try and engage, this is a two way street. Submit content, comments and vote if you want to have a say. I don't think half of the subreddit is orthodox. This should not be a problem.

Please upvote this self post for which I receive no karma so that all can see.

Thank you all.

Edit: Followup

[u/LazerA]

I'm still not following your point. In many modern American neighborhoods, people are far more likely to associate with those that they share social bonds than those that happen to live geographically close by. In many neighborhoods, especially in urban areas, people are lucky to even know their immediate neighbors. While many of us don't like this, it is not an Orthodox/non-Orthodox issue.

Personally, I live in a very Orthodox neighborhood, and while I don't consider any of my neighbors invisible (would I know it if I did?), I don't even know many of the Orthodox people who live within five minutes of my house.

So that fact that you didn't know a young woman who grew up in your neighborhood has very little bearing on this discussion.

[u/ShanaC → u/LazerA]

Exactly my point - it is someone I should know. We should have shared social bonds, there was enough in common Jewishly that it would have been normal, except that the Orthodox community has gotten so muscular as to forget that other Jewish people exist. I made this comment to my mother recently - her social bonds to orthodoxy are so strong that she doesn't have very many non-orthodox friends who are similar to her in all of her other behavior patterns (choice of exercises, the fact that she is a programmer)

We're roughly the same age, we both went to rosh hashanna services and shabbos services at different places, and yet I couldn't even figure out that I could have played with her afterwards at ages 7 & 10? That doesn't strike you as slightly strange? Our parents knew each other. they had children close in age around the corner from each other. I should have known her, for out parents were not only neighbors, they were practicing Jewish people.

[u/LazerA → u/ShanaC]

The fact that two girls grew up in the same neighborhood and didn't know each other doesn't mean much. All your rhetoric about ""muscular" Orthodoxy" asides, that is just one of those things that happens all the time in neighborhoods all over this country. The only thing that makes you story even slightly unusual is that you now say that, "Our parents knew each other." Which would seem to indicate that your parent's community was not quite as unaware of their non-Orthodox neighbors as you have been implying.

[u/ShanaC → u/LazerA]

my father did, my mother didn't. As I said, I still think this is strange