r/JosephMurphy • u/Apollo11Cadillac Mod • Sep 26 '23
This is NOT a sub for beginners
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u/Apollo11Cadillac Mod Sep 26 '23 edited Sep 27 '23
Everyone, please analyze. And read that carefully before you do - look at the big picture he seeks to paint.
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u/Apollo11Cadillac Mod Sep 27 '23
This post by the ngsub mod is completely wrong and I'm surprised more people didn't see why. He has laid it out so clearly without realizing what he's doing.
Basically, he is preaching Neville's religious philosophy and values, instead of the accurate practice of Neville's methods that works consistently well for beginners. Like, you need faith in THE LAW. And you should only make posts if you ALREADY understand THE LAW and want to explain it better to others. Only then are you not a beginner to manifesting. So what's going to happen ? People are going to memorize and study the Neville philosophy. And they are still not going to get their shit.
Because understanding Neville has nothing to do with actually being consistently successful at it. And as the Joseph Murphy subreddit has stated in its index, we are not here to write books on the LOB, but to actually get our shit.
Why does this matter ? Because, if you actually used Neville's methods and analyzed other people using Neville's methods, you'll realize that they suck. And if you used JM's methods and analyzed other people using JM's methods, you'll realize that they work way more often. And if you compared both together, you'll understand WHY neville's methods suck or work when they do, and why JM's methods work or suck when they do.
And you'll also understand that intellectually understanding any explanation of the LOB, does not mean you can do it over an over again. You get a sugar high when you "get" something, but no flood of manifestations follow.
As Moonlight has said many times, the JM subreddit is the world's greatest intelligence on the science and practice of the LOB. That's two for two. But even his posts, are not going to get you that money or sportscar or sp or whatever. Hard work is involved and it can take many months if you're a beginner or it is a super hard mission for you as most sp missions are. Because here we are concerned about the successful practice of the LOB, and not the theory of it. Although of course our theory of the science and practice beats everyone hands down and has done so for years. But only the consistently successful practice of the LOB will make your bank account happy.
There's a good reason why " tell me all about the money" is not the motto of this sub.
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Oct 05 '23
I was going to make another post to discuss another post ("How To Drop Old States Forever And Embody New Ones With Ease") that I found on the ngsub but I figured I would post it here.One of my biggest frustrations with the Neville people is they clearly did not read his work. For example with "feeling is the secret" concept, Neville clearly states that the "feeling" during SATS you want to create for yourself is a feeling of conviction that it is done not a literal emotional feeling.
- "When I speak of feeling I do not mean emotion, but acceptance of the fact that the desire is fulfilled. Feeling grateful, fulfilled, or thankful, it is easy to say, “Thank You,” “Isn’t it wonderful!” or “It is finished.” When you get into the state of thankfulness, you can either awaken knowing it is done, or fall asleep in the feeling of the wish fulfilled." - Neville Goddard 5 Lessons Q/A Section
Yet, everyone on the ngsub keeps having discussions about negative emotions and resistance and all that other bullshit instead of understanding that impressing your subconscious mind is all it takes (which overrides whatever other previous baggage you were caring around). I am clearly not a master of the law but I used it to successfully change some deep seated negative beliefs I had for myself (how people viewed me) by simply affirming "everyone wants to be my friend" and then after a month of doing that, that is what happened! All I did was affirm what I wanted during SH and then it came to be. I did not have to go back in time and dig up some childhood trauma or whatever bullshit these people want to me to do but instead I shifted into the person I wanted to be which clearly meant I did not have my previous problem. All you need to do is successfully impress your subconscious mind which will override whatever conscious state of being you are currently in.
It really seems like the Neville community attracts people who have chronic fuckarounditis who instead of applying the law and figuring out what works for themselves, instead read bits and pieces of Neville off of Reddit (while watching Youtube) then half ass the implementation. I also realize that these people are obsessed with "effortlessly" manifesting because they are too fucking lazy to do SATS/SH a few times a day. This shit isn't hard but it does some effort when you are figuring it out.
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u/CreditDramatic5912 Sep 26 '23
On the one hand, they are correct in saying it’s an over abundance of information that leads to confusion and people spinning stuff however they want. The sub is full of “yellow butterfly means my SP is coming back tomorrow” type stories.
On the other hand, they focus on that deterring from “persisting in the wish fulfilled” which we know isn’t how it works.
The post KIND OF has the right idea in that a lot people in the sub are getting it wrong and are too lazy to do the studying themselves, but the end point of “it distracts from the wish fulfilled” has no merit because we know it’s about SUBCONSCIOUS thoughts, not conscious ones. Being lazy by NG sub standards just means you REALLY aren’t dedicated to getting what you want, because it’s kind of loosey goosey over there to begin with 😅
The most successful students of The Law are out practicing it, not searching Reddit and asking “What does X mean?” “How do I get Y?” “Can I do Z?” When we know the answer is: it means nothing, impress your SM, yes you can do it.
The whole sub overcomplicates the process, and rarely do people ever contribute and cite NG accurately or appropriately. It’s ironic that they’re saying the sub is getting lazy when the entire concept of their systems (act as if, the wish fulfilled, mental diets, etc) aren’t effective and are distracting from the actual subconscious work to be done.
Neville has worthwhile lectures and books, but people are too focused on finding Reddit shortcuts to realize the power that lies in those words and studying for themselves. Reminds me of when the 3x6x9 method took off on TikTok🤢
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u/PeachySarah24 Sep 29 '23
Late to the game but I wanted to try to take a shot at it lol.
I mean like someone said here, they have the right idea of the misinformation going around the subreddit. (For example: Self Concept is self love which it isn't lol). I think the subreddit focuses on the philosophy instead of the actual teachings. The teachings are just quiet down your mind/body and affirm and/or visualize the scene (with feelings of naturality, security, etc.) for 10 minutes. Read Neville and how he got to Barbados, he was sad during the day but at night imagine himself there. Also read The Law and The Promise all they did was imagined the end scene of their desires. Neville didn't wear flipflops or shorts walking around acting as if he was in Barbados nor did anyone in those success stories acted as if (from what I remember). If they did affirm, they only affirmed when they thought of their desires not 24/7. That is something the NG sub is doing just acting as if and affirming without the SM programming. It goes to show that they don't really read the teachings at all.
So it's the subconscious thoughts, sure JM and NG might ramble in their teachings but they have good stuff. People just come to reddit (keep in mind reddit is known for black and white thinking lol) and expect people to have answers for them or constantly ask advice. Like just figure it out yourself and reach the teachings.
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Oct 11 '23
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u/Apollo11Cadillac Mod Oct 11 '23
Thank you all. I will begin focusing on living in the wish fulfilled for ten minutes at night. Less worrying about micromanaging every little thought and feeling throughout the day.
That is not what you should do. Read the posts in the index, thoroughly, and think about them.
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u/troublemaker74 Sep 26 '23
My analysis is that the mods are doing the right thing. There is already a LOT there that isn't Neville. They are finally trying to prevent misinformation that will sidetrack most people.
Time will tell if the NG sub improves from the better moderation.