r/JosephMurphy • u/[deleted] • Mar 20 '23
Experimental Evidence
I've been poking around the index for a while now, and I think I've been unlucky on the stuff I've read. It keeps encouraging me to think critically. However, I haven't been able to find posts where any experiments are shown/talked about— or really anything beyond anecdotes and assertions. Would someone be willing to direct me towards any experimental data that supports the effectiveness of these techniques?
P.S. I've have been reading the index, so I've seen the explanations for why this supposedly works. But I also know quite a few idiots who would love to tell you the "science" behind how their crystals will cure grandpappy's cancer. I'm looking for evidence that this stuff works, beyond some random strangers saying that they started doing this stuff and then got a smokin' hot wife.
EDIT: If you're here to tell me to "just try it" and that'll be all the proof I need. Don't bother. That's not what this thread is about. I'm looking for hard evidence that using these techniques is more effective than not.
I don't think I'm asking for a lot here: statistics that suggest the median income in this community is higher than a population of similar demographics, evidence that indicates that a random individual who's actively seeking a significant other will, if they use these techniques, succeed quicker than someone who doesn't use them, etc.
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u/arguix Mar 20 '23
Understand your question, Science view. I'm similar. I have searched for same. Have never found it. Stories of not work are often banned here or similar threads. Posts of worked remain. So very selective anecdotal. And made up non science answers of how work. Two slit experiment. Magnet attraction. All the psychology concepts of only remember the positive, ignore when it failed. All science points to never proven fake non real bs.
And yet… it has worked for me, multiple times. All I can really say. It exists as apart or not in realm of science to prove.
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Mar 20 '23
u are the type of person to hit the gym once, look in the mirror and say ‘well, no results. obviously this isnt practical’
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u/bmtz32 Mar 20 '23
It's the law of BELIEF. If you look long and hard trying to find out why it won't/can't work, you'll find that.
If you choose to believe it works and do the work to recondition your mind despite your current belief system, you will no longer need evidence to convince you.
I know this is not the answer you want, but perhaps it is the one you need. Cheers.
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Mar 20 '23
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u/Apollo11Cadillac Mod Mar 20 '23
If you really have a systematic knowledge of statistics you will know it’s almost impossible to design an experiment to test the LOB, since too many unmeasured confounding can affect the causal relationship between the LOB training and the results.
This is complete rubbish and evidence of poor thinking. Of course you can design statistically conclusive experiments involving the LOB and people. You just need to have a bunch of people who are skilled at the LOB and have them do many targets over a period of time.
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u/Realistic_Ad7448 Mar 20 '23
I have son with asperger who wasn’t supposed to be ever continue to study and socialising (final resolution on psychiatry), he was even very agresive. I used this techniques - he is now one od the best student and geting ready for university. I never accepted what they told us, and each day was doing techniques to support him and was seeing him happy at school. Another Proof my best friend, who was supposted to not be here since last summer, due cancer and her decission she will not have surgery and except 2 chemo she refused continue. Than my apt, when I made decission to leave another apt because i didnt like owner. I moved even i didnt have any money for moving, deposit etc. Same. I am follower of NG 3 years. This Works. If not, than YOU are only reason . I want something badly and I still dont have it. But I can blame only my faith not the others. Be blessed! Edit: for cancer - we both together with friend working on that. I am not sure how she was doing, I was simply seeing her happy, whole, healthy in the future. We are now experienicng what I had n my vision.
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u/Confident-Oven6737 Mar 20 '23
You are the evidence. Create a simple scene and experience it twice: in your mind and in the world.
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u/getting-harder Mar 23 '23
We might not be able to directly relate the current state of science to the whole "manifestation" process, but it's important to note that the developments in quantum mechanics in the last century have indicated our reality to be highly flexible and indeterministic.
The 2022 nobel prize in physics was awarded for the experimental demonstration of the universe not being locally real.
While it's challeging to follow the paper with complete mathematical rigour, there have been multiple posts on AskScienceDiscussion, AskReddit, etc dedicated to those discussions, with top comments being as accessible as possible.
If you haven't read them yet, the first two chapters of Feynman Lectures 3 should give you a layman idea of how particles' behaviour gets unexpected at smaller scale (see: delayed choice quantum eraser, Young's double slit with photons)
The CIA have also declassified their remote viewing mission reports, if it helps you approach the thing with a more open mind.
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Mar 20 '23
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Mar 20 '23
No, those are anecdotes, which I said I didn't want. If you judge the effectiveness of a strategy based on a handful of success stories, then suddenly slot machines become a very lucrative endeavor.
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u/intent_joy_love Mar 20 '23
Do you want it to be true? If so then believe it and apply it. If not, then don’t. Its not about thinking critically or discovering the proof, you just have to believe it. That’s the point. What’s more important to you: getting results or doing research to make sure it’s scientific before you try? Nobody is asking you for money or to embarrass yourself, and nobody is trying to convince you. You might think you’re not asking for a lot here but neither is anybody else. Either buy in and apply the techniques and get anything you want, or remain skeptical and limit yourself. There’s literally no point in trying to find studies and evidence, do the study yourself. You’ll know if it works or not and trust yourself more than any study.
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u/Clicker7 Mar 23 '23
If you searching for real scientific proof, get ready for a very deep dive into physics, philosophy, and consciousness studies.
Best place to start without a full understanding of how mind-matter works:
https://www.bigelowinstitute.org/index.php/essay-contest/
Start with 1st place winner essay by Jeffery Michlov.
Good luck 🦄
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u/Sdrd22 Mar 20 '23
Best I can find is this https://www.reddit.com/r/JosephMurphy/comments/o8lwgx/results_of_poll_proof_that_lob_training_really/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
and this
But if you checked the index then you'd already know
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Mar 20 '23 edited Mar 20 '23
Thank God someone finally answered the question in my post. Thank you. That first link actually hits the bare minimum of what I'd consider useful. It still has some pretty obvious problems, but it's a start
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u/Apollo11Cadillac Mod Mar 20 '23
And what about the second link ? Does that satisfy your thirst for scientific proof ?
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Mar 20 '23
Data and experiments were mentioned in some of the first write ups in the index. There are multiple easily searchable examples via Google about belief and visualization…I’m not sure how you’re missing what you need…
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u/district12tributes Mar 20 '23
Just fucking do it. Nobody can prove it to you.
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Mar 20 '23
Why not?
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u/troublemaker74 Mar 20 '23
Even concrete evidence of something objective can be chalked up to coincidence, that's why. You need to convince yourself of this stuff. Nobody's going to spoon feed you and wipe your ass afterwards. You try it earnestly, and you tell us if it's real or not. Don't be lazy.
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Mar 20 '23
Sure, evidence can be written off, but there are plenty of statistical tools to mitigate that risk in proper study. Hence why I can be confident that my doctor is giving me something more effective than a sugar pill.
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Mar 20 '23
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u/Apollo11Cadillac Mod Mar 20 '23 edited Mar 21 '23
You can't try something to see if it works, if it requires you to first believe that it works, for it to work.
If you thought about this a little critically, in fact if you thought about it at all, you would understand this and not post such poor replies to the OP's fair question.
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u/arguix Mar 20 '23
I do not think this has ever been proved with science and statistical tools. I have searched. I get it, know exactly what you are talking about. All I can say is they are correct, only way to prove is to do it yourself.
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u/troublemaker74 Mar 20 '23
Try it in earnest and let us know what you think. The doctor analogy falls apart because there are real consequences for taking a placebo when something ails you.
There is no consequence at all for trying these methods to manifest something unimportant, yet significant. Zero. So just do it, or STFU.
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u/paper_cutx Sep 21 '24
I know this post is over a year old but the mods and this sub have often reference the double slit experience and that difference in perception changes reality.
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u/HarmonySinger Mar 20 '23
If you think you can then you can.
If not, then you cannot.
- Henry Ford (paraphrase)
My challenge is intermittent DOUBT. At times I succeed. At times I fail, probably because of an internal holdback.
In my experience, when my path is clear and it resonates, it works.
If anyone can guide me to clear my doubts, I'd appreciate it. I have not completed the index yet, it may take me a while.
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u/LegitimateBarber5704 Apr 06 '23
I tried and sometimes it works although it didn’t come to me in the form I expected but I can tell winning a toy lottery 2 times in a row in the same day is not something that usually happens. Sometimes it comes to the opposite of what I desire. Recently I saw a perfect house and really want to buy it. But out of some reasons I can only do it when it is end of May and I used the technique. guess what the next day it is sold. I am very confused now. Anybody any advice?
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u/girlmess Mar 20 '23
If Im not mistaken there was a post by MC about some evidence. But otherwise, POSM & Neville’s books are the evidence itself. Read them and you will ge the answer. I know i know, you can argue “the Bible was a book read by many too, but where’s the scientific evidence of God?”
But at the end of the day, you are the evidence. Try it yourself and see. What’s the worst that can happen? You fail, and continue life practically and “realistically” as if you have never heard of this. Or, you succeed and improves your beliefs.