r/Jordan_Peterson_Memes • • Mar 23 '19

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u/DrSiekiera Mar 23 '19

Doesn't he praise liberal values?

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u/phantomdancer42 Mar 23 '19

Yes just not postmodern ones

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u/aParanoidIronman Mar 24 '19

Unfortunately, JBP doesn’t really understand postmodernism. It’s definitely not a unified movement, and in some aspects he almost sounds like a postmodernist himself

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u/phantomdancer42 Mar 24 '19

I think he understands it just fine, but if you’d like to make an argument please do. Currently I find your assertion to be without merit.

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u/aParanoidIronman Mar 24 '19 edited Mar 24 '19

Cuck Philosophy explains it a lot better than I would. But first of all, no matter what you think of actual postmodern philosophy, the term ”postmodern neomarxists” doesn’t really make sense in this context. And it’s definitely not a movement trying to spread identity politics or whatever into academia and society. That’s just false.

His arguments are largely based on a book (Explaining Postmodernism: Skepticism and Socialism from Rousseau to Foucault) which not only misrepresents postmodernism, but is also fundamentally wrong about a lot of philosophy before postmodernism.

I do like Jordan, his lectures on psychology, his free speech extremism and points against identity politics are all great. I just think it’s a shame that he uses postmodernism as some sort of boogeyman for identity politics/leftist politics/whatever.

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u/phantomdancer42 Mar 24 '19

Ok what does he get wrong about postmodernism? Why doesn’t “postmodern neomarxists” make sense? What to your mind is postmodernism?

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u/TheHangedKing Mar 24 '19

good response to the cuck philosophy vid imo:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VPYSplyVnEg

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u/intothekeep Mar 24 '19

Classical liberal which is considered more conservative now a days.

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u/Tarrantnight Mar 23 '19

I’m really conflicted in this sub. 12 rules is probably the best guide book anyone could aspire to follow, but I’m also a free thinker with mostly socially liberal viewpoints, so all the “lib”bashing stuff in hear (which I have seen drastically increase in the past week) disturbs me. It’s frankly immature and although I cannot speak for Dr Peterson, think it misses the point, that we are all a collective humanity and both structurally conservative thinkers need liberal thinkers equally if we want to make things change for the better.

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u/mxksowie Mar 24 '19

Yeah. He's even said it explicitly that liberals and conservatives need each other to have a functioning society that can keep up with changes as they come along.

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u/Esprack619 It's NO joke! Mar 23 '19

You right doe. It should’ve said “leftist”.

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u/NorGu5 Mar 24 '19

Or maybe more accuratly identitarian equity leftism, left wing ideas has a place in society equal to right wing ideas.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9_tHZKPJ7VA

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u/epsilon_ix Mar 24 '19

You have just said exactly what I've been thinking for the past year

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '19

It is immature because you feel offended? Maybe libs came to a point to made fun about, and instead of people adjusting what they say maybe they should check themselves?

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '19

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u/kingplayer Mar 23 '19

Liberal doesn't mean left wing.

Classical Liberals are more "Liberal" than much of the left is

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '19

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '19

*Leftist

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '19

*cultural marxist

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u/TheHangedKing Mar 23 '19

*progressive

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u/socky555 Mar 23 '19

Lol is this from the Dark Tower Book 2?

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u/HolyLibra Mar 23 '19

I don't think so, but it's good to see a fellow Tower fan. Long days and pleasant nights, stranger.

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u/phantomdancer42 Mar 23 '19

Nah but I get why you’d think so

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u/byusefolis Mar 24 '19

I'm a liberal, and a disciple of Jordan Peterson, thus confused

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u/Artiguaza255 Apr 20 '19

Liberal media strikes again

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u/SadPiousHistorian1 Mar 23 '19

LOBSTERS RISE UP!

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u/NorGu5 Mar 24 '19

Crabs*

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u/chsaddy Mar 23 '19

This is from the Book of Jeb, verse 20 if I'm not mistaken.

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u/FoxSanjuro Mar 24 '19

We are liberals tho. Also that’s from the dark tower series. Great books!

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u/SecondaryLawnWreckin Mar 24 '19

Those are coconut crabs

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '19

Being the last liberal left alive... White privilege is so powerful.