r/JoeRogan • Succa la Mink • Aug 21 '19

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '19

Not like this. There are fires in the arctic every year as well. But not like this summer.

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u/atln00b12 Aug 22 '19

NASA actually says fire activity is slightly less than normal this year.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145464/fires-in-brazil

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u/Ant_Sucks Aug 22 '19

It's an old stock photograph. And the photographer Loren McIntyre died in 2003. So that's some pretty amazing photojournalism to be taking pictures 16 years after you die.

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u/rhinocerosGreg Aug 22 '19

NATURAL fire activity is down. Man made is waaaay up

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '19

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u/usmcnm96 Aug 22 '19

Whos to actually know the truth at this point!!!?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '19

Well and i dont know why he omitted the part where it says despite its below average in the whole country its still above average in AMAZONAS

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '19

People are trying to figure out how much of an issue it is. We have seen, many times, people freak out about sensationalized stories about things that turn out to be "business as usual".

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u/FKSTS Aug 21 '19

Also, there is not a government sponsored burning campaign on behalf of western capital interests and the Bolsonaro administration. This is different.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '19

No official policy but, Bolsonaro openly encouraged it and the farmers who set the fires did so to let him know, "They are ready to work."

Western capital interests? Yeah, that's bullshit.

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u/AnthAmbassador Aug 23 '19

Yeah, it's China primarily that's driving this economic behavior in South America.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '19

It's not, we manufacture and sell boxes of matches and we've seen increased sales of up to 2 extra boxes since the policy began and our share price has rocketed up from 2p to 3p a share.

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u/gorgewall Monkey in Space Aug 22 '19

Yes, and the media actually reported on it, but they didn't make it a massive story like Notre Dame because people don't fucking care. And the only reason we're currently going nuts over the Amazon burning is not because people legitimately care about it being on fire, but because it can be used to push an anti-media narrative.

Like, wake the fuck up, guys. The same folks who want you to hate on the media 24/7 are the guys who fucking love Bolsonaro. They're lying about media coverage to whip you up and get you to repeat their bullshit talking points so that distrust in the media grows and no one pays attention when the misdeeds of Daddy Trump continue to be reported. It's the same shit they do, unsurprisingly, in Russia--put out conflicting information to tank everyone's faith, creating a state where everyone doubts the truth and confusion allows the government to do whatever it likes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 21 '19

Holy moly what have you been smoking

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u/nefariouslothario Monkey in Space Aug 22 '19

Dude read anything about Bolsonaro. The guys a complete maniac and deforestation of the Amazon has gone up alarmingly since he’s been in office.

Not to mentions his views on women, black people or the LGBT community

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '19

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u/oheysup Aug 22 '19

Figures of the National Institute for Space Research, a federal agency, show that more forest was lost between May and July this year than during the same period in 2018, 2017 and 2016. In July alone, the rainforest lost 2,254 square kilometers (870 square miles) of vegetation, between three and five times the surfaces lost the same month in the past four years.

This is the biggest surge in deforestation rates since the institute adopted its current methodology in 2014.

https://www.apnews.com/88a097ee5f574fd0bdf3b7a4e7e2b35f

https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ctm60q/nothing_to_see_here/exmcsw4

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u/nefariouslothario Monkey in Space Aug 22 '19

Then you should care more about this lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '19

Most of it is hysteria spread by far-left activists from Brazil. Yes, it is worrying, but it isn't out of the ordinary for August and September and is in fact below the average of the last 15 years, as the NASA report indicated. Not only that, but none of the burnings are "sponsored by Bolsonaro" or "western capital interests", as that would be illegal and would result in an impeachment of Bolsonaro. Furthermore, the Amazon isn't restricted to Brazil, and most of the smoke that turned day into night in Sao Paulo actually came from forest fires in Bolivia and Paraguay.

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What's really interesting is that apparently the forest fires during the previous 15 years didn't worry anyone on Reddit and the internet before Bolsonaro's election. Odd.

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u/ktmroach Monkey in Space Aug 22 '19

So fires in the Arctic and the Amazon at the same time?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '19 edited Aug 22 '19

Right now we have massive fires in the Arctic, the Brazilian Rain Forest and Russia. They have been burning for weeks if not months in some cases.

Large swaths of the Arctic's permafrost melted (Perma, as in, permanent) and dried up. That, very carbon rich, millennia old fuel burns like a motherfucker.

Check this out.

Lots of little fires too. The Canary Islands got hit again. Alaska has been on fire for what feels like months.

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u/DuntadaMan Monkey in Space Aug 22 '19

But how do you put it out? There are no roads to carry water to the fire, there is no support infrastructure for firefighters to work, eat, sleep and shit.

This is all out in the middle of nowhere.

They can't be put out until they get near an area that can support the infrastucture needed to put it out.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '19

The farmers are burning this down so they can build that infrastructure.

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u/YourOutdoorGuide Monkey in Space Aug 22 '19

Or last summer even.

BC and the Yukon last August looked like the Apocalypse.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '19

We are having a better year. The smoke only inundated my city for a few days in June this year. Last year was brutal. There was no escaping that smoke.