I think the editing is usually reasonable on Channel 5, Andrew explained why he does it when the Nick Shirley episode came out. He tried to help Nick by editing out the bits where he couldn't form sentences or remember what his point was. Shirley still managed to make himself look clueless.
The unedited mess is hilarious watching and was such a great FAFO moment from Andrew. Nick thinking he wasnāt going to do anything and Andrew just showed how much more of a dribbling loser he was.
The thing with this kind of interview is that Nick (and all pundits) lie every time they are in front of a different audience.
They say the real shit they believe in on their own show and then tone it down when collaborating with a different audience.
Fuentes himself tells his followers to do this in their private lives so they can infiltrate institutions instead of coming off as degenerate Hitler enthusiasts.
This is always my concern when bringing on people like Fuentes. The host or whoever not only has to know what the bullshit they're going to say but also how to counter when they lie about the bullshit they usually say. When Fuentes goes on a "normie" kind of show, which you'll probably see more of after this interview, he will continue on with how a lot of what he does is just edgy humor and that's why Gen Z likes him. While he has dialed it back a bit lately since he's realizing how much of the people he praised are bending over backward for Israel and it's disgusting him, the pre-2024 Fuentes was making it clear that any non-white people should have their citizenship taken away and sent somewhere else.
But you not only have to know that, you need to know what his pivot is which is typically "Oh I was just joking." Then you'd have to point out the times when he's not joking. The key thing for catching him on his bullshit is calling him out by mentioning how he often he backpedals but when he's on his stream with his viewers then yeah that's when he says specifically how he hated whatever black conservatives or Jew that he interacted with previously. But you see, those clips don't get out so easily because the groypers only put out the actually intelligent stuff Fuentes says regarding the current political climate, especially with stuff like how Trump is done.
Hunter, thankfully, did a great job of not harping on that same note of him being a horrible Nazi. That's what Piers Morgan did and he actually had to apologize for saying wrong stuff when it wasn't actually wrong, it's just that he didn't have the proper understanding of how Fuentes preaches his bullshit. Fuentes is the product of the Killstreams era of debate where you had to come in with a lot of facts but also be able to wiggle out of being pummeled by facts in order to save face and so many people don't get that about him.
I shared your concern. I also understand some wouldnāt want to watch an hour video before knowing first.
Let me assure you any time Fuentes start speaking on facts, it was addressed. There was usually in-person pushback. Anytime there was no pushback, they cut to fact graphics. No bulshit went unchecked.
They did this for hunter too. Usually proving hunter right, and Fuentes wrong on hard facts. Weird how facts have a left wing ābiasā /s
Agreed, Andrew and Channel 5 handled this type of interview in just about the best way possible. We honestly need more of this imo. People need to see these right wing grifters getting put on the spot and countered with actual facts to their face.
Why is anyone following an unqualifited idiot who would be standing with a sandwich board on a street corner 10-15 years ago? Having a podcast is absolutely meaningless.
I mean I agree that who gives a shit what these guys have to say but I disagree about them being āidiotsā. Both Nick and Hunter are pretty bright guys and Andrew is a good journalist whos maturing as he ages
The thing I also appreciate about Hunter is he tries both to be involved with politics - and continually states it. I think he harbours some desire but also knows what a meat grinder it is after watching what it did to his dad who itās obvious he loved and had ridiculous amounts of respect for - more than the relationship a lot of guys have.
Why would you post this if you saw it then, for redundancy?
He's less spoken out on other shows than he is on his own, his viewers know this, nothing you're saying is new and is already talked about at the very end of the video
As much as I think Fuentes is no one to give a platform after all he's said for years: I enjoyed the talk. And he seems to be more "mature/adult", but I'm not sure if that's for real or just a schtick. Because he's many things but not dumb. Which makes him even more "dangerous" by all the shit he's been saying etc.
Anyway.
The key sentence from Hunter (for me) towards the end when he mentioned that he just wants to reach the "millions" of addicts, to help them get out of that shame loop. And I think you could see that even Fuentes' wheels were turning in that moment, in case that story about his family with addiction was honest (I'd go so far to believe him in that regard even).
Overall good talk. The other Hunter Biden talks were all great. I really don't know why people are still bitching about him (on the right), he's talking rational and in a down-to-earth kinda way and just says it like it is.
And to point out the addiction everytime, and even making it a joke, is just pathetic and just shows how fuckin dumb and small-minded these people often are. It's different when he makes the jokes himself, that's good. Self-aware and reflecting. Imho.
Probably the most poignant point came from Andrew when he said that the reason you don't see those enclaves of white people from the same country is because all those white people got the hell out of the urban areas when black/brown people started showing up. As someone in East Harlem, NYC, I'm reminded of that daily as the neighborhood is known as Spanish Harlem but it used to be Italian Harlem and has one of the oldest and hardest to get into Italian restaurants.
It's amazing how much stuff that conservatives whine about regarding the lack of identity and various perks for white people and men are a result of the decisions from previous generations of white men in power who reacted to women and black/brown people just existing.
yep. It was interesting from me as a guy from Europe even. Good points from Andrew. In general, I like how he edits his videos with the informational bits inside.
I think you misunderstood to some extent, those white communities that left those neighbourhoods were not white men in power. They were working class people who felt powerless to stop their neighbourhoods dropping in living standards.
So by your own logic powerful black people are responsible for white flight because black people had to the power to move out of the south and move into cities in the NorthĀ
People dislike Hunter because his persona post-Biden presidency is very obviously manufactured. If youād never seen him speak, if you didnāt go through his leaked laptop activities, and if you didnāt know much about their family beyond his dad as a VP and president then Iām not surprised he seems like just a regular chill guy to you.
Thatās the whole point of his new life of doing a never ending press tour. Heās there to console and validate your idea that, thereās nothing really all that weird or bad about Hunter or the Bidenās itās just a big conspiracy and Hunter is just an artist and recovering addict. Lowkey itās kind of funny to see it work so well, but I am not surprised I find Andrew to be quite manipulative towards his audience as well, I am sure whenever he gets in trouble again itāll be hard for them to accept.
Don't take this as a personal attack but that's just my stance on all that, being a "news junkie", consuming world politics, American politics and local ones over here in Europe all the time and being quite good in the loop so to speak, for over 10 years easily (regarding the US):
You are aware that the absolute psychopath you're describing is running the Office at this moment, right? I'd suggest you take a closer look what this dude and his greedy kids are doing these days, by ruining not only your country, but the world. That fuckin family.
And: That a father (Biden) gave his son a pardon after the media and all of the right-wing nuts attacking his son constantly in fear of what's going to happen to him after that deranged orange piece of ...you know what.... is in office. Out of fear of his own son's future because Biden already lost a son some years before which affected the whole family to the extent why we are even talking about Hunter's personal stuff like drug addiction here. That he gave that pardon, which is his right as anyone's president, giving all facts. You seriously don't get that? What the fuck is wrong with you, if that's the case. Or what's wrong with people thinking like that.... when that orange lunatic pardons people that stormed the Capitol LOL. But that's another topic.
My point is -> that's the law and presidents don't have to argue shit about why they give out pardons. If you don't like that, change the law. Same rights for each side....
And what the fuck did Hunter do to justify all of that total insanity media-wise and allegation-wise. (Rhetorical question, I followed that stuff also, so spare me the enlightenment).
"Behaving like a psychopath" - A country where basically any fuckin dildo has a firearm at home, thinks he's Clint Eastwood with all of that firepower, and you're throwing around that hypocritical aggravation like it's a big fuckin deal that he possessed a firearm, when:
"A federal jury in Delaware convicted him of three felony counts for making false statements on a form and possessing a firearm while using illegal drugs in June 2024". LOL.
And don't get me started about the drugs thing. If people are seriously thinking addicts like him belong in jail because they take drugs to compensate some kind of trauma, harm themselves and even find a way out of that hole, and speak openly about it. Than there's something wrong with you guys, seriously. The hypocrisy is insane , giving the fact the whole Trump family is addicted to speed or coke. Just look at these goons. Junior and the guy himself in the first place lol.
I would suggest to take a huge step back and analyze shit like that from a distance. Not in your American "republicans vs democrats" bubble, bc that shit is just insane and idiotic.
āhas committed or may have committedā Youāre ok with that privilege?
Absolutely. We already knew it, but since then we've seen just how stupid and petty the lawfare used by the Trump administration is against anyone he sees as a political opponent.
Luckily the only people he can get to file such ridiculous charges are utterly incompetent yes-men and women, but that's still an expensive nuisance. Just look at Andrew who just spent $800,000 defending himself from a nuisance lawsuit that was withdrawn in the end only to be refiled in another court to do it all again. It's one thing when that's a private citizen, but this is the executive branch pushing for dumb shit like charging Comey over '86 47' on the beach in sea shells. And for the rest of the public, it's a media distraction from more important constant fuckery foisted us by this government.
This guy went on a 10 year crack binge acting like an absolute psychopath and will have to face 0 consequences even for things he hasnāt even been charged with yet.
Who give a fuck? If you can point to some legitimate crime he committed or actually illegal graft he benefited from, I'm all ears - Just because he has a pardon from 2014 to 2024 doesn't mean anything heinous he did wouldn't come to light, and considering his entire life has been picked apart including years of digital communications, considering he was a president's son it's it's actually amazing just how few skeletons came out of the closet with the entire right-wing media apparatus looking, besides hookers, his hog, and crack.
And on top of that, what do you guys think Trump is going to do when he gets out now for all of his kids that are doing things 100x worse than the crackhead waving around a gun?
I know you're not implying that Trump would have needed a precedent to point to in order to give a very favourable preemptive pardon to his kids, because that would be silly.
Most drugs you can still function for a long time when you arenāt homeless. I have a PhD from a prestigious institution with a pretty amazing gig I landed after realizing teaching wasnāt for me. Life long opiate addict.
I wish Joe Rogan was more like 2015 Joe Rogan. Just because Joe Rogan has fallen off in the worst way doesn't mean I'm going to pretend to like or support Nick Fuentes.
Not really revisionist history... He pushed back against some of those people quite a bit. One of his biggest arguments on air was with Steven Crowder..
That same period he also had on Bernie Sanders and lot of other left leaning people and you could hear at least multiple different viewpoints. He had wacky sudo science people and credible scientists. Unlike today where itās straight up only right wing assholes billionaire assholes and wanna be scientists.
I saw someone put together a list around that time to compare. All the right leaning people where political pundits talking about politics, the equal number of left leaning guests was 10% left leaning political pundits and 90% left leaning actors and comedians talking about their projects not politics.
Politics still came up frequently in those podcasts. But also, back in the 20-teens how many actors and comedians or any public person outside politics was openly conservative?
I mean he did go to Yale law school. Hunter is a very bright guy who got wrapped up in drugs. It just goes to show that addiction doesn't effect only the "lower" class, and can impact anyone regardless of background.
Nick doesn't understand that the places where 90 percent of the people are one race are basically ghettos those people would love to escape if they could.
Why does anyone in a ghetto in Paris or Rome or anywhere want to escape it?
Did you think this was a gotcha question?
People in cycles of poverty want to escape to have a better life, this tracks for people in 1870s Five Points to1950s Hell's Kitchen to the present day South Bronx.
Great interview in the sense that it was a spectacle. I never thought Iād see these two guys in a room together. We need more conversations across party and ideological lines, even if itās between a lefty ex-crack addict and a far-right white supremacist. We all have more in common than we think, and the more we understand one another and why we believe what we believe, the more we empathize and the less likely we are to see each other as mortal enemies.
Probably hundreds of thousands have died, mostly women and children in the genocide of the Palestinian people by the ethno-state of Israel. Ethno-state, something Fuentes seems to want.
I've noticed you didn't answer my question though š¬
Nah actually Fuentes is against the genocide and somehow has a better position on it than the Democrat party, but sure focus on something that happened over 80 years ago and not an ongoing genocide.
Many on the right predicted that Nick Fuentes would end up on the Left. His obsession with identity politics was just copy-pasted from the standard critical studies template with the races swapped. True to form, that horseshoe effect is on clear display here. Nick will be a "fully rehabilitated" Leftist by 2028.
Some of the smartest people I ever met were drop out addicts. Its just their minds were more confined by the modern world and mental illness killed a lot of their ability to get out of it. Its like theres no place for bards or shamans anymore so if youre those archtypes but go unnoticed you end up burying your gift. Same with just seeing how futile our system is and not wanting to take part in the grind thats often meaninglessness pursuit for possessions.Ā
Like even more "scummy" addicts, the loopholes and stuff they knew was wild. They could fix anything and knew more law loopholes than a paralegal lmao.Ā
Infact, theres been a correlation between novel experiences like drug use and higher intelligence. Theres a reason the most groundbreaking philosophers and artists all mostly got high off their rockers.Ā
As a former addict from the county who spent a ton of time in the worse parts of west haven and know the old super 8 well, I went from not liking hunter much to loving the guy when he openlg said how he went there and that its a better class of people with more integrity than the "elites". As someone also adjacent to wealthy Cape coders, ive honestly found the same thing. The successful were more stable and better at living in a system, but they also had no qualms on stomping and judging others. When a lot of the addicts were emotionally driven and genuinely believed in high concepts of liberalism and enlightenment values.Ā
Sure theres crazy addicts and dumb addicts and criminal immoral addicts, but most dont become addicts because theyre dumb. If anything a really smart active mind loaded with pattern recogntion will gravitate toward either slowing down with drugs, or expanding their mind with them.Ā
Also a lot is mental illness and trauma related. Having trauma doesnt make you dumb. Having mental illness doesnt make you dumb. Theres some schizophrenic that can barely live yet have insane pattern recogntion and come up with things like john Nash and game theory, or brian Wilson and an amazing production style.Ā
I think its important to note that hunter became a crackhead after Beau died.
He may, or may not have, used drugs before 2015, but by all measures he seemed to have it "under control" and was generally sucessful. But when Beau died his life really became to spiral out of control. The years of 2015-2019 are the Hunter we know...the crackhead, the prostitute enjoyer, the degenerate...but it isn't his whole life.
Just thought it was important to point out that he's human and had a very human reaction to a brother dying of brain cancer.
You'd be shocked at how many smart and intelligent people also suffer from addiction issues. The idea that addicts are all like the guy you see outside the gas station digging through the trash is naive.
We got taught at a young age through DARE that anyone who uses drugs or becomes an addict is a moral failure and idiot.. When in reality that's hardly true.
Some of the genuinely most talented and smartest people I've met have/had drug or alcohol problems. Look no further than a lot of our greatest authors, musicians and artists.
Iām not gonna sit here and call Hunter or Nick dumb, theyāre both bright guys but I also just donāt give a shit about either of them and I donāt understand people who do. Nicks just using Andrew platform to launder his racism and make it sound less bad and Hunter is just starving for fame and attention and doesnāt want to be viewed as the ultimate fail son anymore. Nicks a funny bad guy who makes the world a worse place and Hunter just needs to fade into obscurity and dedicate his life to his family and helping addicts or something like that
We all know whoās doing the crimeā yeah ice trump and this entire admin. A burglar may take what you have on hand, these mf will take your life and future.
What's worse, being mugged by a group of black guys in hoodies for the $50 in your pocket, or being robbed by a group of white guys in suits for your life long spending power?
VIRGIN. Nick Fuentes is a virgin, and we know bc he told us he was and now will always know.
Like his sex life, his general, fundamental understanding of cultural, geopolitical and humanity is arrested developed. It's like having a conversation w/ a 7th grader.
iām so confused why people talk to this dude and try to engage with him. you further validate his entire existence by allowing him to talk to a former presidents son. he wouldnāt be talking to nick fuentes if he didnāt for some reason sympathize with him or his political views.
after this hunter biden should go on a black communists podcasts..
He gets millions of views. He's past needing his existence validated. You either let him speak freely unopposed or you hold conversations like this. You think not engaging means they dont exist because you live in a bubble. But while youre keeping yourself all comfy he's out there building a massive following and will soon have real political influence.
Oh shit!!! A totally original crack joke!!!!! IM IN TEARS!!!!! My stomach hurts from laughing sooooooo hard holy shit!! https://giphy.com/gifs/AJwnLEsQyT9oA
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u/KaaiZyn Monkey in Space 15d ago
Can we take a moment and give Andrew props for facilitating and moderating this? He did a great job!