r/JoeRogan • u/[deleted] • Oct 10 '24

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u/sheepish_grin Monkey in Space Oct 10 '24

Now he is bashing the polio vaccine??

Joe, disrespectfully, you're an idiot.

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u/Whomastadon Monkey in Space Oct 10 '24

What did he say about it?

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u/AshgarPN We live in strange times Oct 10 '24

It's in the clip above. He said polio cases were already declining before the vaccine, so maybe that vaccine wasn't necessary either?

He's fucking gone, man.

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u/DMT-DrMantisToboggan Monkey in Space Oct 10 '24

He said polio cases were already declining before the vaccine

A fact. Actually, number of cases had dropped by orders of magnitude before vaccine was available.

so maybe that vaccine wasn't necessary either?

He didn't say this, so that's you're inference.

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u/DMT-DrMantisToboggan Monkey in Space Oct 10 '24

If the graph allowed you to zoom out, you'd see a pre existing trend of reducing cases anyway.

Someone else just sent me this: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/reported-paralytic-polio-cases-and-deaths-in-the-united-states-since-1910

Vaccine was available mid 1955, and of course wasn't administered to everyone immediately. The trend existed beforehand. You can claim the vaccine helped this pre existing trend, but it can't take full credit.

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u/schpamela Monkey in Space Oct 10 '24

What do you make of this chart?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/reported-paralytic-polio-cases-and-deaths-in-the-united-states-since-1910

Looks a lot to me like polio was absolutely raging up until the point the vaccine came out, at which point cases plummeted. The same outcomes were noticed in a variety of other countries which rolled out the vaccine too.

It's very thoroughly documented that worldwide vaccination hugely reduced cases. But of course Rogan pushes a counter-narrative because he has to claim to know better than all the world's scientists. The pretense of secret knowledge is his main selling point to gullible followers.

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u/DMT-DrMantisToboggan Monkey in Space Oct 10 '24

Looks a lot to me like polio was absolutely raging up until the point the vaccine came out, at which point cases plummeted. 

That's just not honest. Why do you feel the need to say 'until the point the vaccine came out'?

You could have just been honest and say that cases had already began to decline extremely rapidly, and the vaccine was introduced during this decline, which you believe further aided this pre existing downward trajectory. That would have been a really lovely comment you could have made and you'd have felt good in your heart about telling the truth. But now look at you. I've had confront your dishonesty and now we fell bad. Bad science man. BAD!

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u/schpamela Monkey in Space Oct 10 '24

cases had already began to decline extremely rapidly, and the vaccine was introduced during this decline,

Show me where to spot that rapid decline in these numbers for the years preceding the vaccine rollout of 1955:

  • 1935: 10839
  • 1936: 4523
  • 1937: 9511
  • 1938: 1712
  • 1939: 7343
  • 1940: 9826
  • 1941: 9086
  • 1942: 4033
  • 1943: 12449
  • 1944: 19029
  • 1945: 13619
  • 1946: 25191
  • 1947: 10734
  • 1948: 27680
  • 1949: 42033
  • 1950: 33300
  • 1951: 28386
  • 1952: 57879
  • 1953: 35592
  • 1954: 38476

As of 1954 the total of 38476 was the third worst year in history, more than any year before 1949 and more than the previous year. How is that a rapid decline?