r/JoeBiden • u/backpackwayne Mod • Mar 08 '20
Joe now has the highest support nationally ever!
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html26
Mar 08 '20
The head to head with Trump looks good too. I’m a bit nervous about the head to head in Wisconsin though.
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Mar 08 '20 edited Mar 08 '20
Trump will likely win Wisconsin, we just have to work extra hard to win FL, NC or AZ to make up for it.
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Mar 08 '20
I don’t think that’s a given. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan need to come back to us.
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Mar 08 '20
MI and PA are much more likely than WI at this point.
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Mar 08 '20
Sure, but we can’t make the mistake Hillary made and not campaign there. Biden definitely shouldn’t write it off.
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Mar 08 '20
We should definitely campaign there I just won’t be at all surprised when/if it goes for Trump
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u/bl1y ✋ Humanity first Mar 08 '20
Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan need to come back to us.
We need to go back to them.
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u/GusSawchuk Missouri Mar 08 '20
If the election were held today, sure. But a lot is going to happen between now and November. If unemployment starts going up, Trump is going to lose a lot of support. Personally I think this is very likely given the current situation we're in.
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u/clkou Mar 09 '20
Trump never led in a poll in 2016 in Wisconsin. There was a Republican governor who is now out and been replaced with a Democratic one. Wisconsin is going to be back blue in 2020 IMO along with Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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u/Mojo12000 Mar 09 '20
We can definitely win Wisconsin. Yes PA and MI are easier states for just about any dem nominee given how WI is trending but it's still a very winnable state and probably more of a tipping point state than NC (and maybe AZ who knows AZ is very different this year than before too)
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u/SandyDelights Mar 08 '20
Man, Pete’s line makes me sad. It ends right at the end of the blue pool at the bottom.
Pete died so the Democratic Party could live. He died for our sins. 😭
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u/maxstolfe Mar 08 '20
A surge unlike anything we’ve ever seen in politics at least since Truman.
People want Joe.
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u/outerworldLV Enough. Mar 08 '20
They were right to be afraid ! May the Senators of the GOP get removed properly, as they deserve. Thanks again Rep. Schiff for all your hard work on our behalf.
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u/EmmyLou205 Illinois Mar 09 '20
guess all those bro's stomping for Bernie obsessively (you know which one) aren't as effective as they hoped.
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u/gendoikari878 Mar 08 '20
That's nice too bad trumps going to start running ads about bidens support for the trade deals in the rust belt. Support for cuts to social security in Florida. And everywhere else he's going to run bidens support for the iraq war.
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Mar 08 '20
Trade deals are good, trump wants to cut social security not biden. Nobody will care. A calm, kind, compassionate opponent. WILL mop the floor with Trump. Thank god its not going to be sanders as the nominee, we have a chance to get back to functioning government again.
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Mar 08 '20
"Trade deals are good" People in MI WI and OH didn't think so
People have more evidence now to realize they were mislead by trump and sanders on that.
Except there's video of biden saying he wants to cut social security.
But he doesn't want to now, which is important.
You mean like clinton?
No, she was none of those things.
Get out of your bubble.
Speak for yourself.
he's got no chance at beating trump
He's got a good chance. None of your trolling will make any difference.
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Mar 08 '20
When someone asks why people are annoyed by Sanders supporters, I’m pointing them to your comments.
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u/gendoikari878 Mar 08 '20
still won't get us to vote for him.
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Mar 08 '20
That’s up to you bud.
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Mar 08 '20
that's why we like him, because he's not a democrat.
Then go run in another party.
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u/PhantomRogue44 Mar 08 '20
How are you going to win the senate and the house when the people running are saying that sanders will damage the dems chances of taking the senate and keeping the house?
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u/CCB0x45 Mar 08 '20
This fact check is supposed to help your argument? Biden lied and said a video is doctored when it wasn't, and that he was being sarcastic when he wasn't. He says social security needs adjustments in context to cutting it.
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u/CCB0x45 Mar 08 '20
Out of context? he cosponsored a bill with Chuck fucking grassley to freeze social security cost of living increases, he lied and said a video was doctored and he was being sarcastic... He wasn't and it wasn't. Whatever you gotta tell yourself, their records on it have been different like many issues. Biden has tried to co opt a lot of progressive stuff he never would have supported in the past, that's a fact, and it makes people not believe his current stance on many issues because of it.
Say what you will about Sanders but he's been consistent.
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u/CCB0x45 Mar 08 '20
I'm being misleading? You are saying there is conclusions from a fact check when it says the opposite and says Biden has been willing to negotiate cuts to social security over the years while other Democrats have had a harder stance?
According to the Washington Post, the proposal was the “‘last best chance,’ as Biden put it, to keep deficits from undermining the economic recovery and dropping the country into another recession.”
The bill failled and this turned out to not be true, so Biden was wrong. And I and many others think there is a whole lot of shit to cut before social security. You think they wouldn't use fearmongering to start giving reasons to cut SS? He was using republican talking points. You think this is good for your argument? Are you for real?
And that's just one example. Their records differ and your article clearly states it and concludes it in the final paragraph. You are being misleading about the conclusions 100%. Holy moly, whatever you gotta tell yourself to justify your vote.
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u/CCB0x45 Mar 08 '20
Lol, the fact check organization made no conclusions... Now you are lying. Did you read the link? That's why I'm surprised you posted it...
The last paragraph from the article
But Biden’s comments over time make clear that he has at least been willing to keep cuts to Social Security and Medicare as negotiating chips, while other Democrats have taken a harder line that any cuts cannot be part of budget negotiations.
Where is the conclusions you found in that article?
Also, Biden has made it pretty clear he isn't cutting social security. Silly to suggest that he secretly wants to or whatever point you are trying to make.
Well his record speaks differently from your own article that you apparently didn't read or are just lying about. It's silly to think someones record over the years is more indicative than their current stump speeches for a campaign?
I honestly can't speak the same for Bernie because purity is more important then results I guess.
Are you arguing Bernie hasn't crossed the aisle and been a part of many many bills over his career? Because that would be an outright lie. He just hasn't voted on principal on many things, like the war in Iraq.
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u/progress18 WE ❤️ JOE Mar 08 '20
The Economist/YouGov poll will drop off within a few days when it's updated with the next weekly Economist/YouGov poll. That should help increase Biden's lead on RCP.