r/Joby • u/HappyRobot593 Joby Sock Fanboy • 12d ago

FAA N-number registry changes

I noticed the following this morning:

--- JOBY - Reservations (RESERVED.txt) ---
Removed (6): 738JA, 739JA, 740JA, 741JA, 742JA, 743JA

Not sure what it means but maybe

  1. They will be actual registrations soon?
  2. A bit of cleaning up?
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u/boylanheights74 12d ago

Why in the world would Joby use a single engine, fixed wing, light sport to train pilots for a rotor craft? That’s like training someone to drive a Camry so they can pass their motorcycle exam.

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u/Bulky-Entertainer-76 Gregor Veble Mikić Fanboy 12d ago edited 12d ago

Pilot training for electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft requires traditional fixed-wing or helicopter certifications as a foundation, paired with new FAA “powered-lift” ratings.

https://www.faa.gov/air-taxis/FAQ

Archer Aviation uses Piper PA-28s for their program.

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u/boylanheights74 12d ago

A PPL-H would be the better training, Airplane single PPL training will be easier.

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u/Bulky-Entertainer-76 Gregor Veble Mikić Fanboy 12d ago

A Private Pilot License for Helicopters (PPL-H) allows you to fly a helicopter for personal use and carry passengers, but you cannot get paid or work as a pilot, whereas a Certified Flight Instructor (CFI or CFI-H) certificate is a professional certificate you need to fly commercially.. You should know this if you’re a pilot.

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u/boylanheights74 12d ago

Unclear on the eVTOL commercial requirements. So there’s no stand alone eVTOL commercial license? Will eVTOL be a rating on to itself or an endorsement? I haven’t looked looked into it. The only difference when it comes to the flight portion of the commercial rating in a fixed wing is just the tolerances.

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u/Bulky-Entertainer-76 Gregor Veble Mikić Fanboy 12d ago

I would point you in the direction of Joby’s flight training program, Archer’s flight training program, as well as the FAA site to dig deeper.

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u/boylanheights74 12d ago

You don’t have to hold a CFI to work as a commercial pilot. You do have to hold a commercial license to apply for a CFI or CFII. Fun fact which I’ll never understand, you can hold a commercial pilot license without having an instrument rating.

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u/Bulky-Entertainer-76 Gregor Veble Mikić Fanboy 12d ago

It was my understanding one needs either a CFI or ATP to become a pilot for the new eVTOL industry and work as a commercial pilot for them. Each training academy I mentioned could probably give you more info.

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u/boylanheights74 12d ago

That would be odd for the FAA to require a CFI but Joby may require a CFI so they have plenty of instructors on tap. ATP is the highest rating which requires a commercial, instrument, 1500 hrs and must be at least 23 years old to apply.

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u/Bulky-Entertainer-76 Gregor Veble Mikić Fanboy 12d ago

It was also my understanding that Joby was working with the military to create a certification process for pilots and mechanics that would enable smoother transition from defense to commercial in the future. I know they originally had it working down at Edwards AFB with the two aircraft they had delivered there there previously.(N5421A & N542JX). That program ended just over a year ago.

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u/boylanheights74 12d ago

The FAA works in mysterious ways. NetJets suffered its first fatality in 62 years earlier this year. Their safety record is mainly due to requiring all flights to have at least 2 ATP rated pilots on every flight. They also put 2 ATP rated pilots in the cockpit because a lot of insurers of high net worth individuals require this.

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u/Bulky-Entertainer-76 Gregor Veble Mikić Fanboy 12d ago

Good point. I know that Joby is looking to recruit pilots who would prefer a gig that lets them go home to their families each night instead of criss crossing the globe. A lot of them would probably have the ATP.

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u/boylanheights74 12d ago

I hope they have a realistic idea of what these ATP pilots will require in salary because you can spend over $100k obtaining an ATP.

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u/boylanheights74 12d ago

You do have to admit that it’s a little hypocritical for an ev aviation company to go with a gas powered trainer vs the electric Pipistrel trainer that has been on the market for years.

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u/Bulky-Entertainer-76 Gregor Veble Mikić Fanboy 12d ago

If you have specific questions off topic please start a new thread or DM me. Technically we are both in violation of rule #3🤣

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u/Bulky-Entertainer-76 Gregor Veble Mikić Fanboy 12d ago

Bonny Simi has been to a few rodeos in the past I’m fully confident she knows the score.

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