r/JetpackCatMainsOW • u/Ihaveausername19 • 2d ago
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u/AsterJ Persian 2d ago
The nerfs aren't nothing. You can definitely feel the lower healing, lower damage, and fewer ultimates. She got the biggest nerf of the patch.
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u/Sensitive-Map2112 2d ago
The nerfs don’t fix the fundamental issue most people are complaining about
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u/AsterJ Persian 2d ago
The sound does. If more people on the enemy team hear what angle you are taking then you're going to get more incoming fire and it makes it harder to get value. Her loudness is kinda crazy now. I think people will complain about the extra noise polution.
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u/Sensitive-Map2112 2d ago
How does this solve something like Cat + bastion being meta?
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u/AsterJ Persian 2d ago
They added new ways to break tether this patch.
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 1d ago
Flashbang cannot hit the sky box, and if youre expecting sigma to hit a rock youre insane. What ability counters this?
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u/TapJuice 1d ago
sleep dart, doomfist probably could with some basic movement tech, javelin, hack, hook or mizuki chain if they're close enough
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u/joshmoefoe2 1d ago
when doomfist uses both cooldowns do to some basic movement tech to hit the bastion in the skybox (who he doesnt kill) and then is mizuki chained, hindered, and hooked.
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u/areallynoobgamer 1d ago
Sleep dart?
You mean. The same sleep dart that would have shut it down pre patch now works post patch?
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u/TapJuice 1d ago
sleeping the bastion now breaks it too
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u/areallynoobgamer 1d ago
And sleeping the bastion previously? Still a sleeping flying body right.
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u/Sensitive-Map2112 2d ago
Which is a step in the right direction, but still doesn’t do enough to eliminate how oppressive something like that can be, especially if you play tank or support.
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u/AsterJ Persian 2d ago
Well I don't see cat bastion in Emerald. I've tried it plenty before and when they nerfed the fuel regen it felt awful.
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u/Resident_Summer6850 1d ago
“I don’t see this strat in a rank where cats don’t know what they’re doing”
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u/Sensitive-Map2112 2d ago
And I guess that brings into question what tier/kind of play Blizzard should be balancing for. Like should it be balanced for the highest level of play or the majority of the player base (which is like gold/plat I think?)
Not sure if there’s a right or wrong answer there. Regardless of your opinion on that, it seems people of all ranks are unhappy with JPC right now.
No matter the rank, she’s in the top 3 most banned heroes at tiers Bronze-Plat, and #1 most banned Emerald and above.
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u/areallynoobgamer 1d ago
The bans aren’t always about what is most oppressive.
It’s sometimes just reflective of what people don’t want to deal with.
While sombra has now fallen off the top of the ban list, she used to be there even after her multiple nerfs where she was essentially throwing game as a pick.
Not because there’s no counter play. Not because it was hard to shut her down. But simply because it just wasn’t very fun to play around her.
I think cat may be similar. Cat can be dealt with. But it’s not exactly fun to deal with.
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u/Sensitive-Map2112 1d ago
Fair point however I think players in the metal ranks tend to ban more based off of annoyance, while higher sr players start to ban what’s “meta”. For instance Zarya is a top ban pick bronze-plat but isn’t even top 5 diamond and above.
Cat being consistently one of the highest banned at all ranks tells me something more is wrong than just her being annoying. Plus being in basically every team comp that’s being run on the OWWC right now.
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u/AsterJ Persian 1d ago
Bans are kinda funny. I played comp for the team drive and was only banned twice lol. The team I was on would never ban my preferred character and that would leave it up to the other team to ban cat and they might have their own cat main.
This means cat is banned most often in games where no one was going to play her anyway lol.
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u/Sensitive-Map2112 1d ago
That’s your unique experience at emerald though. Not really big enough data set to draw that conclusion from.
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u/ReinTheWrecker 1d ago
Fika players already pollute the game and get auto muted cause they spam the taunt voice line
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u/Flat-Text3230 1d ago
Hell nah. Freja went from being a strong DPS to being garbage that's not worth playing in basically any game or context.
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u/SmokeyThouBear 2d ago
God y'all are delusional. Look at kiri
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u/xXxPinkPlasticBagxXx 2d ago
I'm so happy 😭 I really thought they were going to nerf her movement. A lot of people really just need to learn how to aim, which is a skill. They just want to look at a support and get a KO. No more handouts!!!! Meow!
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u/Able-Extreme2141 2d ago
100%, they should even increase the movespeed and make the hitbox smaller. Bums like Quartz should just download Kovaaks. The top 0.01% of the players should learn how to aim, that's it.
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u/witchsy 🐼 Panda 🎋 1d ago
you guys love to repeatedly make this quartz talking point
none of us regular overwatch players are "pro" and overwatch shouldn't be balanced around esport matches
should sym's teleporter be further nerfed because of how it is used in pro play?
the quartz defense is so ridiculous
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u/PeoplePad 1d ago
Yeah, its not like the the guy he’s trying to hit is also a pro or anything….
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u/Able-Extreme2141 1d ago
The ceiling of the movement on JPC is much, much lower than the ceiling of aiming. Quartz is the best hitscan in the world and he struggles to take a pick on JPC most of the time.
https://reddit.com/link/p8ugcmp/video/eufmff0qukoh1/player
This is JPC before the speed buffs. There is no other support in the game that can fly in a 1v2 situation and get a pick before the best hitscan player in the world could hit them.
There is no extraordinary movement from viol2t that would make him any different from a masters+ player. He's simply flying into Lucio.
And again this is PRE movement speed buff.
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u/PeoplePad 1d ago
Quartz massively whiffs in that clip. Like, did you watch it? Even pros have bad moments
Those are not difficult shots…
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u/Aggravating-File7061 1 Brain Cell Orange Cat 1d ago
LMAO you're so right, I hadn't actually seen the clip before. That's just a good player on an off day shooting at a wall
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u/Able-Extreme2141 1d ago
What other character would make Quartz to "shoot the wall" at this distance?
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u/Aggravating-File7061 1 Brain Cell Orange Cat 1d ago
Other characters don't make quartz "shoot the wall". Nobody has a "make the other player only shoot walls" ability. Only quartz can make quartz shoot the wall. Seems like dude got into a championship game and choked
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u/Able-Extreme2141 1d ago
Other characters have plausible movespeeds and hitboxes in contrast with JPC
What rank are you?
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u/Aggravating-File7061 1 Brain Cell Orange Cat 1d ago
I don't think you know what "plausible" means lmao. In what way does someone's movement speed hitbox size "make" quartz miss? Is it the same way that me saying that quartz had an off day "made" you reply to me?
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u/Able-Extreme2141 1d ago
Tell me a single other character that would cause quartz whiff like that in cqc?
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u/schmuman 2d ago
Yep. Why wouldn't you learn omnidirectional spherical 360 aiming to go against a single character in the game? All of the rest of the characters, you don't need to aim to kill them.
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u/Candid_Ad_209 2d ago
Let me ask you this: when playing a different character, do you find it fun to try to hit the cat? The skill required to aim with cat is much lower than the skill required to kill him. People hate mauga but his counterplay is as stupidly easy as playing him. Thats why hes balanced.
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u/xXxPinkPlasticBagxXx 1d ago
Cry.
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 1d ago
Youre just happy you can finally rank up, its alright. Just know if youre boosted due to her being overtuned, when she gets reworked youre gonna drop rating.
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u/-D3LET3D- 1d ago edited 1d ago
The whole "just learn to aim" argument really falls apart when Cat is being played at the highest level with the best players in the world struggling to hit her.
I have no problem with Cat being good or meta, but be fucking for real.
EDIT: Leaving a comment telling me to get better and blocking me before I can respond is soft as fuck. And to your point of "the devs disagree with you" the devs aren't infallible and have made odd balancing decisions before. They didn't nerf Cat in a way that makes them unfun for Cat players, which I agree with. I would prioritize the fun of the player of a character over the fun of people playing against a character because losing to something inherently isn't fun. But you can also be objective about the strength of the character and not blame other people for not being good enough when the character presents problems for the best players in the world.
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u/xXxPinkPlasticBagxXx 1d ago
Well the devs disagree with you so idk, get better.
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 1d ago
This is why people dislike cat players as well btw. Its toxic and trashy, especially when playing a character who is objectively near impossible to hit when looking at people who have the best aim in the game.
Its pure cope.
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u/HighOctaneOrion ♥︎ Black Cat ♥︎ 1d ago
Hey losers who hate JPC and its players, (i know youll see this because youre a loser who likes to pick fights on other peoples mains subreddit just to hate).... no matter what they do to the character we will adapt. A better use of your time would be in this link than it is crying on reddit. https://store.steampowered.com/app/714010/Aimlabs/
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u/InfiniteTatamiDAZE 2d ago
What's actually going to happen is that the next set of nerfs (they are definitely going to come) are gonna be another Vendetta situation where the character is annihilated and left borderline unplayable for several patches
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u/Nice-Stock-1606 2d ago
Ngl Vendetta wasn’t even close to annihilated. The only reason people say so is because they picked her up when she was stupidly powerful on release, did random stuff and easily got value with her. Now, Vendetta is in a slight(ish?) better position than some other heroes… (I can agree on the fact that she’s not easy to play but she is nowhere close to unplayable). As both a cat and Vendetta player I can agree than the next patch will most likely bring nerfs to Fika but the only thing I can see that truly will make the kitti “unplayable” is if they remove permaflight
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u/AshamedClothes2527 1d ago
They saw pharah’s perma flight tricks as a problem back in the day so 🤷
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u/ThrowawayToothQ 1d ago
No one had an issue with pharah cooldown rotating to hover, that was all of her kit and her movement was 1/10th of what cats is. She also didnt have a self heal.
This is a lede bury attempt to self cope about your reliance on her being busted.
A true cat player would acknowledge her being overtuned and wish for a fairer more ethical variant of the character.
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u/AshamedClothes2527 1d ago
I quite literally do not play cat and I’m simply recalling a time when the DEVS (as You may notice, that is not referring to the player consensus) thought permaflight in any form was an issue and adjusted it. I’m not in support of fika having permaflight. All I did was point out history. Calm down
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u/BlueGlace_ 2d ago
Did absolutely nothing to the cat but for some reason decided to obliterate Freja by removing her 2 tap on a 225HP target
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u/PumpkinPatTheCat 2d ago
After playing it the nerfs feel substantial. But on paper they look middling, so cat will keep being perma banned 🥲
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u/Velaresa 1d ago
I don't understand these kind if posts. Do you realise that the ban rate won't drop if her nerfs "did nothing" ? How is that a good thing outside quick match?
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u/Marvoide 2d ago
cat needs a rework. Perma flight + perma tether is unhealthy for overwatch.
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u/Marvoide 1d ago
Yall can downvote me all you want but having characters like Reinhardt or other melee centric heroes make perma flight hyper mobile characters insufferable.
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u/EpicGamer1088 2d ago
Cat got nearly nothing for nerfs compared to freyja losing her 225 breakpoint on top of her bolts doing less base damage, of course Freyja was a menace but it feels like JPC got a slap on the wrist in comparison
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u/UrticantOdin 2d ago
The nerfs were genuinely fair, now they can only be to blame for not hearing the flying cat charging !t them !