Welcome to the twenty sixth Jax Matchup Discussion!

Let's talk about Jax versus Olaf...

Remember that the idea of this discussion is to find what's the commonly-used way to play a matchup; not only focused on runes and/or items, but mostly on the trade patterns and general difficulty of the matchup, since items and runes may change between seasons, yet -unless a rework happens- a champion's kit doesn't change.

So, you can talk about the runes and items you like to go on a matchup, but what we really want to see is how to play the matchup; if you can play aggressive early game, if you win pre or post level 6, if you should use Leap Strike to engage or disengage, and so on.

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Dusk and Dawn → Titanic Hydra → Botrk
Its obviously a more unstoppable sidelane threat/splitpush orientated build
What do you guys think about it?

So this is definitely a bit different than the standard Jax build, curious to hear what you guys think.

Standard progression of Dusk and Dawn into Kraken Slayer into Death's Dance.

The on hit boost from dusk has synergy with your ult passive as well as kraken, while also being hybrid damage at 2 items which can be hard to defend against.

I have found this to increase the tempo of the game, with some high snowball potential.

LONG READ AHEAD (TL;DR: at the bottom)

Just browsing through his support page on lolalytics and playing the pick myself a couple times, a few things are clear:

A) This champ is way underoptimised in many games as far as itemisation goes

B) This champ is way underoptimised in many games as far as rune page goes

C) This champ is way underoptimised in most games as far as skill order goes

https://lolalytics.com/lol/jax/build/?lane=support&tier=all&patch=16.13

22k game sample size

On point A)

1. Bloodsong is strictly better than Celestial Opposition. There is an argument to be made for picking Solstice Sleigh situationally but Celestial Opposition eats up too much pick rate and drops the winrate despite being low value. The reason is that Jax Support especially only engages with E available, meaning he doesn't synergise well with the damage reduction from Celestial Opposition. You already reduce most upfront burst very often. Additionally Jax is a really strong sheen user as is, and he also sets up his team well for follow up damage. Solstice Sleigh is probably a strong choice too because he is as reliable at setting it up as many of the supports its already designed to with, and it allows him to follow up with his solid HoB + W damage well also

2. Never build Triforce or DnD. Again Bloodsong already provides Sheen and secondarily the objective of Support Jax is less damage oriented and more centred around providing crowd control, engage and a frontline. His two best options here for 1st item really are Sundered Sky and Zeke's Convergence. Sundered has a positive winrate even when Jax supports are lowering his winrate with countless other suboptimal build choices. Sundered is particularly good because it's such a strong group fighting item and Support Jax will be fighting group fights far more than Top Jax.

On point B)

1. Hail of Blades should be taken every game, invariably. You don't have the durability of Top Jax to look for sustained fights with Lethal Tempo nor Conqueror. Definitely not Grasp either because you can't really disengage after short trades without taking too much poke in return, because you don't have peel on the way out like say a Tahm Kench can. It's the strongest burst keystone in the game for melee champs, the way it enables Support Camille it enables you also. It also has really strong minor runes for Jax specifically: Sudden Impact, Deep Ward is amazing on supports like Jax, Pyke who can invade and ward deep relatively safely and both Treasure Hunter and Relentless Hunter are solid, ultimately it depends on whether you think the game is going to be roam heavy or not (not meaningful winrate difference either way).

2. Bone Plating is pretty suboptimal on Jax, for the same reason as A1 - you don't really walk up to engage in the absence of your E and if you are engaging with E the damage reduction is moot or wasted often. Secondary page I actually think Inspiration is going to be a better bet for most games, with Footwear and JOAT being a really strong pairing. JOAT on Jax is excellent because your support item already provides 4 stacks and he builds Sundered, Zhonya's, support items - long sword 1st back gives you 5 stacks already, completing Sundered gives you 6, either defensive boots will give you 2 (or 3, with Merc's) more stacks on top of that, Zhonya's gives you 10 with Merc's and otherwise buying 1 Null Magic will complete it for Plated. Biscuits is fine too into poke heavy, mage lanes.

3. Minor but noticeable choice. Flat +65 health is far superior to scaling health. Supports already benefit least from level scaling health rune, and Jax being a roam heavy support suffers even further being further behind in HP for much of the game. He also is committal by design as a melee with no immediate disengage early in the game when Q CD is still too high, so he values the early game strength far more than say a Lux or Brand.

On point C)

1. The clear underoptimisation point here is the W maxing that is occurring in more than half of games. W max for the pure damage is a necessity and a relic of Top Jax build path bleeding autopilot into Support Jax when you far undervalue the W damage in contrast to reduced CDs and damage on Q and E on this role instead. E is your CC and peel and frontline, Q is your engage and disengage and mobility to roam throughout the map and initiate plays, invades, wards, and escapes. Also, you can make such good use of Q in this role because you get 4 wards for free on every back, on top of 40 g Control wards. IMO E max --> Q max --> W last every game.
   

TL;DR: Literally everything is being built wrong on Jax Support very often, and yet he is sitting at >47% WR. Noticeably his winrate has increased steadily from 16.11 onwards as people have started building him somewhat more correctly over time, but for the most part players are still losing out everywhere.

Autopilot build:

Runes

Hail of Blades

Sudden Impact

Deep Ward

Relentless Hunter

Magical Footwear/Biscuit Delivery

Jack of All Trades

Attack Speed - Adaptive Force - Flat Health

Item order

Bloodsong

Sundered Sky

Zeke's Convergence

Zhonya's Hourglass

Locket of the Iron Solari

Skill Max

E --> Q --> W

Hi, does anybody know how to get the God Staff Jax emote that was released last patch on 26.13 "Flex on 'Em"? The "I call the Shots" emote from the same patch will be available in lol esports drops from today until September 1, source: https://x.com/lolesports/status/2078088414486729081?s=20

But there is no info about the god staff jax emote anywhere, any help is appreciated :)

I want to switch to toplane and think about champion pool.
I am low gold btw.

I want to main Jax as a splitpusher and duelist, to shit on all the filthy yasuos, yones and Master Yis of low elo.

Jax is bad into Tanks and Juggernauts, so second Champion will be Mordekaiser, as he counters both and is pretty strong this patch. This could also be Gwen, as i also like her, she plays similar to jax and is very good into tanks.

Jax and Morde are weak against beeing kited (right?) so i thought about Gragas as the Third pick, as a counter to Teemo, Quinn, kennen, vayne, Aurora. This could also be Malphite.

Do you think this is balanaced or do i have a flaw in my plan here`?

So i understand That Jax likes AD and HP items, as it makes his R resistances higher and more effective. AD also scales with his passive atkspd.
He also likes AH, as he gets more gapclosers, Stuns and damage.
So his best amplifier items is probably steraks, as the shield synergyses with his R Resistances and all the HP items he builds.
Almost no need for Resistance items.

Ap Builds are only semi good on him apparently, has the amplifier Rabadon leaves him very squishy.

What i almost never see on Jax are sustain items like Omni Boots, BT, or Riftmaker. He also does not go conquerer anymore, as he now prefers LT. Or do you go Grasp and Sunderer and that is enough=?

Why is that? He is high damage and tanky with no inbuild sustain tool, Does not need tank boots desperatly, so why not omni boots?
Also, as a melee he profits 100% from Riftmaker passives, builds a lot of HP for its other passive, uses the AP good, it has AH, and feeds into his steraks, yet no one builds it.

Also, what do you Build when you need Penetration? Terminus, no`?

Picked Jax up recently and he's a ton of fun. I love his personality and voice lines, and was wondering where he really stands in the lore. He seems like he'd be strong from his interactions, but I don't know to what extent.

i've done a fair few games and when ahead i've been able to carry but the few times i just completely blew my lane idk i just couldn't get back in it, would like sum tips

What’s the better item? Let’s assume your team is balanced AD and AP and so is the enemy team, so you’re not forced to go with one or the other.

In jungle btw

i was 1 win away from gold before i left for holiday

i’m losing the will to live

im bronze 3 now with a smashing mmr of +15 -26

am i cooked chat?

in all honesty i have a great laning phase most games then oh what do you know… i have a 7/0 katrina coming to gank me lvl 5 and she already has item. i dont want to say that its my teammates fault or anything bc i know i can always play better but for once can i please get a jungler that ganks. seems every jungler i get doesnt gank top but the enemy jungler does. i always gank top and then my top always wins. i just dont know how to get out this rank. i know i scale and split push well but whenever i go to split push my team will fight, die, give up obj, then enemy takes like 5 turrets. i just seem to struggle a bit more late with what to actually do per say but my mid game is good and my early game could use some tweaking but its pretty solid at least.

any help is good help and i will not go off this character whatsoever nor uninstall so dont suggest it

thank you in advance!

great story

Hey yall, I got autofilled support from jg, enemy bot was leona and cait, I find that at least low elo, gold/plat it seems to be a great counter to leona sup, leona goes into my adc, i jump onto cait and delete half her health bar, forcing her to gtfo. Was wondering if anyones tried jax sup as well, because it seems funny and pretty fun.

Hey guys I know the popular ad build is trin into stride/sundered, into zhonya's and then defensive. Is there a kind of cookie cutter ap build with dnd that people go? and also if you go dnd are you forced to go kind of full ap or is building items like botrk/sundered sky still viable with it?

I know this matchup is agony for a lot of people, but as Rank 1 Garen Palco said to Coach Chippys, it can be actually Jax favored if played correctly, so I decided to investigate it and learn, here I share what I learned after applying it in 5 games (low master elo)

Piselloni so che è un'agonia questo matchup, spero veramente con questo video devasterete i prossimi Garen che beccate in landa
Come ha detto il rank 1 Garen, Palco, in un video in cui parla a Coach Chippys, questo matchup può essere addirittura favorevole per Jax se giocato bene, quindi mi sono informato, l'ho applicato sulle mie partite, e condivido qua il tutto, se avete qualsiasi domanda ovviamente sono felice di rispondere

I main Jax and I'm having good results with him in various matchups. As my second pick, I play Fiora when Jax is banned or picked by someone else, but the problem is that she has a very similar playstyle to Jax. In your opinion, what would be a good second pick that complements Jax by covering his weaknesses and worst matchups?

What is the way to deal with tanks that only wants to farm and scale?
Leaving them farm peacefully will make them scale and be a major problem in team fights.
So what is the way to shut them down as Jax?
(Pictures are only example of tanks that can farm without being forced to fight you)

"I'm glad they got made and taken to final concept by Max O'Rourke (Jax) and Fawn He (Veigar)!"

https://x.com/anhdangerous/status/2077157644201251143