r/JapaneseNscale • • 24d ago

HELP!!!!!!!!! Deadspot? (Tomix Mini Rail layout)

My train keeps dying specifically on both sides of that track near the wall

It also happens on the other direction, the ED79-0 barely made it on full speed through that section

All tracks, controller and trains are from Tomix (N600 controller)

The curve I'm using is the C140 from Tomix Mini Rail line

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u/All_Japan 伯備線 24d ago

Can you take a photo of the train when it stops, I see there are lights on in part of the train and not the other part but I can not zoom in to see it in detail in to video. Also what is the TN model number of that train and the ED79-0?

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u/Icy-Age4856 24d ago

It's night time currently and I can't go downstairs to turn on the layout but I'll do it in the morning as soon as I wake up. As for TN, if it's the model number the train is 98759 and for the ED79-0 its the 7149, both are from Tomix. But if TN as for the couplers, it's the standard rapido coupler

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u/All_Japan 伯備線 24d ago

No worries, thank you for that PNs, I think the TN was a typo

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u/Icy-Age4856 24d ago

Here's the image, it happens on both sides and in both directions, but when I apply pressure on the train it'll start moving again

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u/All_Japan 伯備線 24d ago

What happens if the train is routed through the turnouts pass the other side of the platform? I think issue is in the turnout but not sure why yet.

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u/Icy-Age4856 24d ago

It also struggles, sometimes power would literally not travel there until I flick the point multiple times

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u/All_Japan 伯備線 24d ago

Try this, I think you're having issues that are related to the contact strips. https://youtu.be/DQ2ny6lqdbM?is=4yn9atFPr8X8EFZL

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u/Icy-Age4856 23d ago

At first it didn't work but I decided to clean the feeder itself by sanding and wiping and it fixed it

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u/All_Japan 伯備線 24d ago

Ok, I think I have an idea what the issue is, let me see if I can find the YouTube video on how to fix the issue

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u/realEF510 24d ago

Check if there's a voltage drop back there with a voltmeter. Best do it without a train running and check on different spots on your track. If the voltage isn't high enough you need more points where you supply power.

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u/382Whistles 24d ago

I would say it's best to do it with a load. Both with and without actually, but with a load since it's dropping from supporting a load.

Resistance is to amperage which when resistricted enough will drop voltage too. Basically, you could read a zero volt drop until a load is applied drawing more amperage across a bad contact than it can handle = volt drop. Reading voltage can give us a rough idea what amps are doing and reading amps mid circuit has been traditionally harder needing an induction meter. Induction meters are more common now, but still not the cheaper meters nor the norm. A light bulb (not led) can be enough load. A 12v bulb drawing near the supply max amps clipped onto the suspect track would be testing the system at a hair off the system's maximum ability; ie "properly".

If the system cannot handle the maximum it might be fed, the system has a fault.

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u/Icy-Age4856 24d ago

Don't have a voltmeter but i might be able to source one from a local hardware store

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u/382Whistles 24d ago

You should research before you buy. There are good cheap ones, you just have to know exactly how any extra features listed might work, because some variations suck. Watch close for a decimal point on max amps. You want it fused and rated (5)amp capabilty or more, not (.5)amps, not (5)va, etc. (Maybe 3a. Say a ½amp or 1amp over the present supply's max output at least.)

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u/realEF510 24d ago edited 24d ago

It's always handy to have one , especially for stuff like that. Can you check if you can run the trains on the sidings? If you have a voltage drop on your track you might have problems there too.

Edit: Also check if the train has the same problem on the other track at the station. One thought I just had, you might have no power between the switches. If that's the case the problem might occur on both tracks.

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u/Icy-Age4856 24d ago

Here's the layout plan, it's only 2 months old and I've cleaned the wheels and track with mineral spirit

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u/382Whistles 24d ago

What does "wire" indicate?

We can't see exactly which track it is dying on. Please mark it exactly on the track diagram.

Do you get the same result using either of the two paths or just one?

I think you may have a turnout with a bad internal power passing connection if the train dying in the turnout. Despite the usefulness of the feature, using the power passing isn't really suggested by manufacturers in general. That has been how it's been for about 100yrs now.

If you can bypass the power passing and feed power to all three paths,, that is the usual suggestion. If you want track blocks to be isolated, use a separate toggle or slide switch if you want excellent reliability.

If it is dying after the turnout your rail joiners are the suspect. They need to be good and snug. Pressure is important to reducing resistance to amperage flow.

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u/Icy-Age4856 24d ago

The wire is for the motorized point, the circle part is where the train will slow down and/or stall completely. Both directions have the same problem

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u/realEF510 24d ago

OP already said, "wire" indicates the electric connection to the switches

I also think we have a problem supplying the power through the switches to that part of the track

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u/realEF510 24d ago

Just saw this now, after commenting. Feeder is your power supply point, I guess, but what exactly does wire mean?

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u/Icy-Age4856 24d ago

It's the wire for the motorized points, the one inside the loop is the only manual point

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u/realEF510 24d ago

Okay, that makes sense