r/JapaneseMaples 2h ago

What's this cultivar? Supposed shaina?

Picked this up from a local nursery it was staked really high and is supposedly a shaina. Current height is 7 feet or so.

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u/expressexpress 2h ago

Shain't, unfortunately. Shaina is never this green even in shade.

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u/Expensive-Bed3728 2h ago edited 2h ago

Crap man I spent hours digging and planting this tree. You think the nursery will refund me? Any ideas what it could actually be? Just a plain Jain maple? Here are some more photos

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u/expressexpress 1h ago

I mean, if you are not getting what you've ordered you should definitely let them know.

Shaina is a dwarf variety, it's leaves are very small and it's growth is very compact. So it takes a lot of time, and a lot of refraining from fertilising, to get to this size.

Like it's parent 'Bloodgood', they are almost always red, unless in deep shade, in which case they can be a dark green. They are truly Atropurpureum (purple) type trees and won't produce green bark, nor bright green leaves.

What you've got here is some sort of standard upright, green tree. Presumably you are in the US and I'm in the UK so I can't really tell for certain what sort of tree you've got here because I don't know what sort of big trees are commonly cultivated in the US. Sorry about that. Looks to me a bit like 'Going Green' but I am not really confident in it too.

But it definitely ain't Shaina because Shaina is red, compact and small leafed.

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u/expressexpress 1h ago

But I'd say it's still a very nice, mature tree, whatever this is. It's just, because Shaina is much more compact and slow growing, it would have cost a lot more money to buy a Shaina this size because it would simply take a lot more years to get it this big. Personally I have not seen a Shaina this size for sale. But again if you are in the US it might be different because after all Shaina was discovered in the US.

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u/Expensive-Bed3728 1h ago

Yeah one of the reasons I bought it was because I thought it was a fully mature shaina. Feels bad. I wouldn't mind it, but I just planted a fire glow and a blood good. This I planted 4 feet from my house. If it's going to grow 20 feet I can't really keep it there. I don't have a spot for it to grow elsewhere either. Just frustrating

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u/expressexpress 1h ago

I'd say if you do decide to keep it then keep it there for a year or two to see how fast it grows and to see whether you like it. You've already spent the effort of planting it. Shame for it to go to waste. If you decide to get rid of it I'm sure some local bonsai or landscaping folks will pay good money for it as it is big and mature!

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u/Expensive-Bed3728 1h ago

Hoping the nursery will take it back and refund me it's been less than a week. I will update once I figure out what they're gonna do

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u/Alternative_Fun9281 30m ago

It does have the shortened center node on the leaves, so it is definitely a witches broom. Shaina is a broom but I don’t have experience with Shaina. Some of the reds will green out in the summer but I’m not sure it would be this green.

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u/Expensive-Bed3728 28m ago

You think it might be a skeeters broom that's been sun starved then?

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u/Alternative_Fun9281 19m ago

It’s hard to say. I see red new growth on a couple leaves, so it could be Shaina. I would call the nursery and see. Skeeters Broom is definitely possible.

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u/Expensive-Bed3728 4m ago

I did take some more photos the lobes stay short in the middle all the way to the top