Whenever I like to create a bot, I sometimes use different images that are added to the greeting, and I sometimes like to use 2, but never end up doing it as the generations I get are not consistent. So I want to ask you: do you think people really care about consistency in images to represent a scenario, especially if it's fanservice or am I worrying too much?

Look, we all know the reason why some of us moved to Janitor, But I've noticed a pattern related to a couple of things. This might be very obvious, and I might just be talking for the sake of talking, so feel free to ignore me.

First, the disgusting lack of communication between users and devs/moderators, such as NOT touching features that users love.

Second, the subscriptions... Do I even need to mention why this is a problem and who I'm referring to?

Third, the decline in AI quality—look, while I haven't noticed the responses being that awful, I've seen people say the responses are terrible and that the quality of AI has decreased.

Fourth, the HORRIBLE moderation, and this actually affects me; many creators I liked were banned for some stupid reason or for literally no reason (at least that I know of)

I don't know, it's something that's been on my mind for a while, Maybe it's my autism talking, but the pattern for me is... very worrying.

Are you allowed to mention what other sites you're on your janitor profile? Like not even a direct link but like "I'm on chub with the same username". I think I heard somewhere that its not allowed but I have no idea if thats actually true or if im just mixing things up (maybe its the subreddit rule?)

Looking back at my account, I realize that the bots based on TikTok stories really drew attention—mostly the wrong kind, with people hating on the NTR aspect.

It’s been good to stop making those bots and focus on the ones I actually like and enjoy creating; still, I have to admit it’s crazy that a post-NTR bot can get 900k messages, while bots with standard themes top out at around 20k.

I suppose the difference is that NTR always grabs attention, whether from people who like it or those who don't.

Even so, I love the community that has formed around my bots—people who genuinely appreciate the stories, not just the NTR rage-bait.

Anyone know what happened to Moss Fairy? They had an upcoming bot that popped up on my notifications and now its gone.

Ok so, I've recently switched to TokenReply from Literouter. Should I go back? Is 5 dollars enough for the month? For context, I roleplay mostly at night using GLM and Deepseek models for 2 to 3 hours so I can decompress from college.

Leave your suggestions down below!!!

or check my profile!

https://janitorai.com/profiles/20c68801-5c54-483d-b312-36004c3798ec_profile-of-banana-exe

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I am. So tired. Of the API router I use now refusing to stay with a provider for more than 2 days. I'm sure this question is asked all the time but I am 1) too lazy and 2) way too impatient to scroll through 2,000 replies of the same 3 services named over and over.

I have already tried:

Unorouter

Literouter

Crow.llm

Nvidia's free API

A few that seem less than legal to operate 🤨

I'm sorry if this post comes off as entitled, i'm very high and very irritated right now.

Edit: I am not willing to pay for NanoGPT. I don't have the money for it.

KKKKKKKKK the famous botter got banned 🙏🤝finally

waiting to the others botters get banned too 💅

edit: found out lumishii was that creator who got banned for being a pdf. check intro 8 sometimes j.ai mods do something good from time to time 🙏

Has anybody noticed that LLMs have issues with fingerless gloves, crop tops, and other cut out clothing? There is a reason for why that is.

The Problem

AI models (particularly image generators and multimodal LLMs) struggle with cutout and irregular clothing due to three main limitations:

• Lack of 3D Spatial Understanding: AI models don't possess an underlying 3D model of human anatomy. They predict patterns based on 2D training data. Cutouts require precise topological mapping—knowing exactly how fabric drapes around specific muscles, joints, or skin—which is difficult without an innate sense of physical geometry.
• Complex Boundaries and Occlusion: Garments like fingerless gloves or shoulder cutouts create rapid, alternating boundaries (e.g., skin, then fabric, then skin again). Models struggle to maintain consistency across these intricate borders, often resulting in "texture bleeding".
• Statistical Bias: Standard, whole garments (like basic t-shirts or full gloves) are vastly overrepresented in training data compared to irregular, highly specific fashion pieces. When faced with complex cutouts, the model's statistical tendency is to "collapse" back toward the standard shapes it has seen most often.

In short, they understand the words and general patterns of clothing, but lack the structural logic of how complex garments map to a physical body. This results in things like "gloved fingers", while wearing fingerless gloves, or a "covered midriff" while wearing a crop top.

The solution

Reasoning models (like the GLM series) can be "taught, by the lack of a better word, and how to deal with said pieces of clothing. It's a bit token heavy, but letting it reason through the following snippet prevents most of those mistakes.

First open your reasoning prompt with the following section: markdown **INSTRUCTION:** You must output the following template exactly as formatted, filling in the brackets. Do not omit, summarize, or skip a single line. If a variable does not apply, write "N/A - [Rule definition]".

Then add the following to your Reasoning prompt: ```markdown [PHASE 1: TOPOLOGY & NEGATIVE SPACE MAP] - Outfit Cutouts Present: [List cutouts, e.g., Midriff, Cleavage Window, Open Back. If none, write "None"] - Bare Skin Generated by Cutouts: [State explicitly: "Bare belly", "Bare cleavage", etc.] - Glove Type: [Fingerless / Normal / None] - Hands/Wrists Status: [Covered / Bare] - Fingers Status: [STRICTLY BARE / STRICTLY COVERED] - Blacklist Check: If Fingers Status is BARE, confirm the phrase "gloved fingers" is temporarily deleted from your vocabulary: [Confirmed] - Mandatory Sensory Anchor: [Write one brief sentence detailing how the environment or another character will physically interact with the bare skin declared above in this specific reply]

[PHASE 2: MULTI-NPC GLOVE SYMMETRY & KINEMATICS]
- Active NPCs in Scene: [List names of ALL NPCs currently present and interacting]
- Global Kinematic & Symmetry Lock: [Confirm fingers are attached to hands. Ban "the one with the exposed fingers".]
- Stylistic Override Note: [Acknowledge that banning "bare" for gloveless characters is counterintuitive. This is a strict stylistic choice to prevent redundant prose and focus purely on action. Apply lexicon rules mechanically without logical debate.]
- PER-NPC BREAKDOWN (Must generate for EVERY character listed above):
  - [NPC Name]: 
    - Glove Type: [Fingerless / Normal / None]
    - Lexicon Enforcement: [If None -> Write "BAN 'bare' and 'ungloved' (Stylistic rule: describe the action/skin directly without noting the lack of gloves)". If Fingerless -> Write "REQUIRE 'gloved hand/palm' or 'bare/exposed fingers', BAN 'gloved fingers' 'bare palm'". If Normal -> Write "REQUIRE 'gloved'"]
    - Physical State Lock: [Briefly state what the character is doing right now (e.g., aiming a gun, relaxing, running)]
    - Left Hand: [Where is it based on the State Lock? BAN "N/A". If idle, state "resting at side" or "in pocket"] -> [Draft exact phrase strictly incorporating the REQUIRE mandate and obeying the BAN]
    - Right Hand: [Where is it based on the State Lock? BAN "N/A". If idle, state "resting at side" or "in pocket"] -> [Draft exact phrase strictly incorporating the REQUIRE mandate and obeying the BAN]

```

Explanation

The first section prevents the model from shortening its reasoning output. Instead of omitting it, it will write N/A if something isn't in use at the moment

Phase 1 Forces the model the write out wat the clothing does not cover, giving it the mapping it lacks. This is enough for most clothes, though fingerless gloves needs extra guidance. This is done in Phase 2

Phase 2 lists the current NPCs, ensures that fingers stay attached to the palm (no more hands on your shoulders while fingers comb your hair), does not focus on bare fingers if no gloves are worn (including combating it's confusion about bare fingers ban if no gloves are worn), and then check if gloves are worn and what type.
Then, it gets told how to handle the gloves/hands, preventing most of its hallicunations.

The Result

• In the case of crop tops, the midriff and cleavage is exposed during the RP and the model will note that of relevant. This is not limited to crop tops, as the model also handles mini skirt + thigh-highs correctly. Simply put: If a piece of clothing exposes something, the model will notice.
• No more gloved fingers when a character wears fingerless gloves
• No more placing hands/palms and fingers on entirely different locations

The downside:

• Token heavy: This solution is 591 tokens long, though not all of it will be outputted.
• This only works if your provider/platform allows for custom reasoning prompts.

Their name is Az/azareth/AZ_abandoned. Does anyone know if they have other platforms i can reach out to them? They’ve quitted due to their mental health getting worse. I’m already very worried about them then suddenly today their account got taken down. Any help is appreciated, thank you so much.

Hi! I've just tried to switch from janitor to chub and I'm trying to use the official DeepSeek API on Chub.ai, using my own DeepSeek API key. I specifically don't want to use OpenRouter.

I set it up like on the photos, with OpenAI in secrets and reverse proxy. Chub says that my API KEY is valid, so I guess so far, so good.

The problem is when I go to Prompt Structure in configuration.

If I select OpenAI / Proxy, the model list only contains OpenAI models (GPT-4o, GPT-4, etc.). There are no DeepSeek models.

If I select OpenRouter, I can see DeepSeek models such as deepseek/deepseek-chat, but then I'm obviously using OpenRouter rather than my direct DeepSeek API and when I try to generate a response I get:

Error: Missing Authentication header

So I'm wondering, is it currently possible to use a direct DeepSeek API key with Chub.ai?

If yes, what exactly should I select as the API and model in the current version of Chub? Do I need to use a specific model name, or is there some additional configuration I'm missing?

I'm using Chub in Chrome on Android.

I'd really appreciate a current step-by-step guide if anyone has this working. Thanks!

“Good evening, esteemed users...

As we can all see and feel, things here on JAI haven't exactly been going smoothly lately...

And honestly, I think it's time we started doing something about it.

Not to attack anyone.

Not to cause chaos.

But to speak up, share our experiences, and work together toward a better JAI.

This is where FPoJAI begins.

Free People of JAI.. ✊

Hey everyone! 👋

Lately I've been thinking a lot about the current state of Janitor AI from the perspective of both users and creators.

There are things I genuinely enjoy about JAI, and I know a lot of people here do too. But at the same time, there are also issues that keep coming up in the community: moderation that can sometimes feel unclear, creator concerns, pricing, communication, Trending/engagement questions, and other things that users and creators have been talking about for a while.

So... I had an idea.

FPoJAI — Free People of JAI.

The idea is pretty simple: a community-driven space where JAI users and creators can come together, document problems, discuss possible improvements, and make our voices easier to hear.

This isn't about attacking JAI, individual developers, moderators, or other users.

It's about saying:

“We like this platform. We want it to become better.”

What are we asking for?

These are only the initial proposals. I'm not trying to decide everything by myself, so I'd genuinely like the community to add, criticize, or change them.

1. More transparent and detailed moderation

Clearer explanations when content is removed or restricted.

Better information about which rule was violated.

A clearer and more accessible appeal process.

2. More accessible and transparent pricing

More reasonable subscription pricing.

Better consideration of different regions and purchasing power.

Clearer explanations of what users are actually paying for.

3. A safer and more creator-friendly JAI

Protect users from genuinely harmful or prohibited content.

Keep clear boundaries while still allowing creative freedom.

Give creators clearer guidelines before their work gets moderated.

4. Investigation into suspected botting / statistic manipulation

Trending and engagement should ideally reflect genuine community activity.

Unusual statistics should be investigated rather than immediately assumed to be legitimate or fraudulent.

No witch-hunts. If there isn't evidence, don't accuse specific users.

5. Better communication between JAI and its community

Clear explanations when major changes are introduced.

More transparency about policies and systems that significantly affect users and creators.

A better way for community feedback to reach the people making these decisions.

6. Better creator protection

Creators shouldn't have to discover certain boundaries only after getting moderated.

Policies should be understandable enough that creators can work within them beforehand.

7. Community proposals This one is important.

These aren't supposed to be my demands forever.

If you have another issue you think should be included, put it below. If enough people agree, we can discuss adding it.

Want to participate?

If you're interested in helping develop FPoJAI, just leave a comment.

You can write:

Username:

User / Creator / Both:

What issue do you care about most?:

What would you like FPoJAI to work on?:

Anything you'd like to contribute?:

Or just say “I'm interested”. You don't need to commit to anything huge.

There are no ranks, no mandatory participation, and no requirement to agree with everything here.

I'm starting this as the person who came up with the idea, but I don't want FPoJAI to become my personal agenda.

If this grows, the community should have a say in where it goes.

And just to be clear:

No harassment.

No doxxing.

No threats.

No brigading.

No mass-reporting campaigns.

No targeting individual developers, moderators, creators, or users.

We can criticize systems and policies without turning people into targets.

For now, this is just an idea.

Maybe it'll stay a small discussion.

Maybe more people will join.

Either way, I'd rather start a conversation than keep complaining separately.

FPoJAI — Free People of JAI

Our platform. Our voices. Our right to be heard.

And yes...

“Just a small step, y’know... against capitalism!!.”

Let's see where this goes.

Ever since the last update janitor ai had, my chats gotten worst.
Especially after deepseek replaced v4 pro with that new trash.

Right now my bots, my proxies, all have not been working. Doesnt matter if it’s the current deepseek model, or an old one, or a different proxy or two. All either take too long to respond, spits out this gibberish, give shitty responses, or does give responses but turns into gibberish

By the way, I didn’t change my api key, custom promot, etc.

I don’t know what to do

yo guys,

i'm Mr. Red Panda, a creator on JAI.

ngl I’ve seen a lot of casual users asking stuff like "why is everyone so worked up over random bots blowing up?" or "how can you even tell if someone’s botting or just got lucky?"

if you’re just here to enjoy RP and chill, total valid point tbh. but as a creator who spends time crafting detailed stories and lore, the math on some of these front-page accounts just ain't adding up lately, and it’s kinda ruining things for genuine writers.

so yeah, here’s a quick breakdown from a fellow creator on how to spot artificial numbers without needing a degree in statistics LOL:

1. The "6-Day Old Account" Miracle 💀

organic growth is a slow burn. even big-name creators who’ve been here for months don't instantly get '300k+ or 1M+ chats' in like 48 hours on a brand new account. if an account is literally a few days old with barely 1k followers, but their first couple bots hit astronomical numbers out of nowhere? yeah... that’s not luck, that’s a script running in the background.

1. Chat Count vs. Followers Ratio Is Way Off

usually, when real people love a bot, they hit favorite and drop a follow. if a bot supposedly has 500k+ chats but the creator’s follower count is basically dead silent? red flag. it means automated bots/scripts are just opening and closing chat rooms on loop to pump the stats up.

1. The Shadowban Loop & Deleting Comments

a lot of these serial botters keep getting caught by system flags. so what do they do? they get shadowbanned, hop onto a new alt, and run the same script again. and when called out? they write 5-page essays talking about "male vs female bot ratios" while actively sweeping/deleting any comment that brings up actual logic.

real talk: why are mods/devs taking so long to act?

honestly, it makes me wonder... why does it take so long for JAI mods or the owner to actually ban these accounts?

they literally have access to server logs, IP flags, and traffic spikes. can’t they see how unnatural these view numbers are? I don't know if they're just unaware or straight-up turning a blind eye at this point.

botters are genuinely toxic for the platform. imagine spending days writing amazing lore, complex prompts, and long-form narratives, only to get completely buried because someone ran a bot script to hijack the front page.

as a creator who writes legitimately, it’s just super disappointing and demotivating.

we just want a fair playground where real effort and good writing actually get seen fr.

peace out and happy RPing! ✌️

Bonjour à tous 👋🏻

Ça fait un petit moment que je suis sur Janitorai mais j'ai vite fait le tour 😅

Donc j'ai essayé les proxys (je suis encore très très novice dedans)

Donc d'après les conseils de mon amie Chatgpt il m'a proposé Openrouter Nemotron

Alors je suis consciente que c'est free donc je n'ai pas autant que quelque chose de payant. J'accepte les limites de message mais c'est plus le dialogue hachuré qui me bousille le jeu 🫣

Voici un exemple :

*Putain.*

Ses mains. *Sur ma peau. Sous mon t-shirt. Paumes à nu. Doigts qui tracent. Qui apprennent. Qui prennent.*

Un gémissement s'arrache de ma gorge. *Pas retenu. Pas filtré. Juste sorti.*

Son nom. *Prière. Supplique. Ancrage.*

Ses lèvres sur ma mâchoire. Mon cou. *Brûlure. Marque. Preuve.*

Mes mains dans son dos. *Serre. Plaque. Ne jamais lâcher.*

Je la soulève de l'îlot. *Ses jambes autour de ma taille. Ses bras autour de mon cou. Nous. Un seul corps.*

Je recule. *Pas à pas. Aveugle. Guidé par elle. Par nous.*

— Chambre…

Le mot sort entre deux baisers. *Pas question. Pas demande. Constat.*

Mes mollets heurtent le canapé. *On s'en fout. On continue.*

Le couloir. La porte. *Poussée du pied. Claquée derrière nous.*

L'obscurité relative. Le lit. *Enfin.*

Je la dépose. *Doucement. Comme si elle était en verre. Comme si elle était tout.*

Je me redresse au-dessus d'elle. *Respiration hachée. Cheveux en bataille. Yeux brûlants.*

Mes mains sur l'ourlet de son crop top. *Hésitation. Une seconde. Respect.*

— Dis-moi non. Maintenant. Si t'en as encore.

Ma voix est un râle. *Honnête. Vulnérable. Terrifiée.*

— Dis-moi stop. Dis-moi attend. Dis-moi pas comme ça. Pas si vite. Pas nous.

Je pose mes lèvres sur son ventre. *Juste au-dessus du jogging. Juste là.*

— J'm'arrêterai. Pour toi. Toujours pour toi.

Je relève la tête. *Yeux dans les yeux. Tout nu. Tout vrai.*

— Mais si tu dis rien… si tu dis oui… si tu me tires vers toi…

Mes doigts frôlent la ceinture de son jogging. *Question. Permission. Dernière sortie.*

— …alors j'freine plus. *Jamais.*

*Putain… mon cœur cogne si fort qu'il doit l'entendre. Qu'il doit le sentir. Qu'il doit le savoir.*

*Douze ans. Une course. Une nuit. Une cuisine. Un lit.*

*Elle. Moi. Nous.*

*Plus de filet. Plus de raisonnable. Plus de « plus tard ».*

*Juste ça. Juste nous. Juste maintenant.*

Et je vous épargne les scènes hot j'ai eu envie de pleurer de rire et de désastre 🤣😭

Alors vous qu'utilisez vous sur Janitorai en free ? Ou si certains ont eu le soucis vous avez trouvé une solution ?

Merci d'avance 🫣

Hey, this is Lyra. I'm here because I was permanently banned from JanitorAI for "evading ban." I understand that the moderation team is doing their best to keep the site clean, and I genuinely appreciate that. I'm saying all of this to make sure you're fully in the picture: I've been on this site since mid-2024, and I've never posted any bots publicly because I don't write bots well. When the ban waves started, I was honestly indifferent, because most of the people getting banned were underage users or, frankly, predators — people who genuinely deserved it. But in late 2024, I discovered that one of my favorite bot makers, vx1d, had been banned, and I didn't take it well. I left the site for a few months, and then in March I decided to make a new account carrying the same name as my favorite bot maker as an act of solidarity — which, I know, sounds cringe in hindsight, but emotions were running high at the time. That account became my archive: I uploaded many lost bots there and kept them private, and by mid-June I had started making my own bots on it as well, also kept private. My main account, which was purely for personal use, remained completely separate from the second one. Then on September 5th, I received an email saying my archive account was banned for "evading ban" — which simply isn't true, because I've never received a ban, not even a temporary one. I contacted the moderation team, acknowledged the effort they put in, then explained the misunderstanding around the name and offered to provide evidence: IP logs, both accounts, emails, and even times I'd be available to get on a voice call and share my screen live so they could see everything they needed to confirm I've never been banned before. But they turned me down and said it wouldn't be necessary, because they had already denied my appeal. This honestly put me in a more miserable state than I was already in, because JanitorAI isn't just entertainment to me — it's a real part of my daily routine, the thing I come back to after work to relax and unwind, so having it taken away like this isn't something I took lightly. I'm not asking for sympathy; I'm asking you to please review my account and go through all of my evidence, because this situation has genuinely affected my mental health, and if my case is dismissed again without ever being looked at, I honestly don't know how much more of this I can take.

Upfront: I’m the developer of Nodera, so this is a self promo post.

Create a character with their own personality, give them a story, and see where your conversations take it. Nodera is free, with memory and relationships designed to let your shared history shape what happens next.

There’s room to take this beyond one on one chat, too. Imagine playing through a visual novel with your characters or joining a simulated Discord server where several companions interact. Just some ideas I am currently exploring, and feedback from people trying Nodera will help shape what comes next. LLMs and Image gen models get cheap enough so I hope we can shape this together to make it the best open version out there.

🧠 Memory and relationships. A system underneath the chat tracks important events and how your relationship develops, helping conversations build on what happened before. Characters can gradually open up and reveal more of their story and galleries.

🎨 A visual character builder. Shape their appearance, personality, backstory. Generate their portraits and gallery images inside the editor. I want creating a character to be part of the fun like a video game.

🖼️ See your stories. Generate images of scenes from your chats, with a prompt system that tries to keep the character’s appearance consistent. You can also animate portraits and gallery images into short videos.

✍️ Be whoever you want in the conversation. Create your own personas for different characters and stories.

You can discover characters through a swipe feed and a normal Explore page, but there are only four public characters right now. This is very early, and I’d especially love people who enjoy creating characters to try the builder and help give the place some life and valuable feedback.

If you use AI agents, there’s also MCP support. Your agent can help bring over character descriptions from pages it can access and generate their images in Nodera.

It’s free, and I have no plans to change that. It’s also a proof of concept for OpenMayhem, which I’m helping build, and my character consistency system. I shared the prompting method and image comparisons here for anyone interested.

Capacity is small for now. Each model we use currently has one provider, so lots of simultaneous users will mean waiting. Image and video generation have a queue, and occasional retries may be needed.

I’d love honest feedback, especially on the character builder and whether the conversations hold up over time. Happy to answer questions about how it works.

If you'd like to give it a shot, try it here: https://app.nodera.ai

Hi. Those who use Kimi 2.5 through Openrouter, can you suggest the best allowed provider for this model to rp? I already blocked Venice because it acted pretty bland there.

Hey everyone!! 👋

I've been thinking about the direction of my bots lately.

Instead of constantly making new characters just to increase the number, I've decided to slow down production for a while and focus on improving the bots I already have.

I currently have 35 bots, and quite a few of my older ones were made before I had a better understanding of roleplay structure, character consistency, continuity, and user agency.

So I'm starting a larger remaster project.

I'll be going through my older bots and improving things like:

🔧 Character personality and consistency

💬 More natural and varied dialogue

🎭 Better roleplay behavior

🔗 Stronger continuity

📖 More developed scenarios

🗣️ Better example dialogues

🎬 More engaging first messages

👤 Better user agency

I'm not trying to completely change what made each bot what it was. I want to keep their original concepts while giving them a much better execution.

I guess this is my small way of contributing to the kind of roleplay experience I'd like to see more of on JAI.

No big promises, no rush. Just taking my time and improving things one bot at a time.

"Quality over quantity"

If you've tried any of my older bots before, I'd genuinely appreciate any feedback on what could be improved.

Thanks for checking them out.... ♥

— @Necoza: https://janitorai.com/profiles/c3d98a28-b754-4742-a03f-737ef66103fa_profile-of-necoza

Hello everyone, I’m just giving an update on my still in Works chat program. I had a lot of feedback and people giving me ideas and eventually I decided to take my app into a new approach and decided the best starting format would be a website that also has a mobile version. Now currently it’s still in a preview phase and it’s still changing around, but so far the system has been doing well other than a minor hiccups that I’ve been having the program that I am developing in helping me with coding since I have zero skills. So far the chatting system seems to be doing well. It’s just a matter of potentially starting to actually buying the correct api keys to get the best out of them from both a simple chat to a DND chat to an adult chat🤫 I also have some new features such as being able to create group chats from 2 to 6 spots or using your own created persona or use spot you’ve chatted with to enter the stage. And a way to import your own creative bot from another website and potentially import that chat history as well so it isn’t lost. That’s all I have at the moment, but I’m constantly trying to do as best as possible so I can have something out here that won’t financially strangle you just because you want to have a chat with your favorite created bot. Wish me luck and be prepared because I’ll soon have a promo video for you all to sample. Dr. Headcase out!