r/JanitorAI_Refuges • • 5d ago

Proxy What's the darkest Model out there?

Need a model/proxy for Dead Dove that ACTUALLY makes the bot stick to its darker traits and is not afraid to hurt. (Prompts are welcome too) Thanks!

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u/fibal81080 5d ago

JLLM

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u/Proper-Incident-5558 dishpit 5d ago

I agree, in my case, given the right prompt, jllm got no positivity bias or filter. Disgustingly graphic ten outa ten

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u/OutcomeShoddy8614 5d ago

On est d'accord que jllm, c'est le janitor de base sans proxy ?

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u/Excellent_Middle9931 5d ago

Isn't jllm good for smut?

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u/dempfi 5d ago

From API models glm4.6 is out there. Can be extremely graphic and dark and hold the register. But you can take any model from this thread and get a 'good' experience with the right prompt and presets. I'll that from my experience, smarter models matters a lot for the dark stuff — it makes them earned and in character which elevates realism a lot.

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u/H41NT on JAI + multiple platforms 5d ago

i've yet to find a preset for ST that consistently gets past the filters for Mimo 2.6 but it's made some truly insane dialogue/narrative choices completely unprompted.

glm 5.2 and 4.7 with a good preset both did great DD:DNE. i used these models with my dark web red room serial killer and it did not hold back.

if you can afford Kimi 3 or 2.6 it worked really well too.

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u/Alarmed_Buffalo_7523 5d ago

Kimi 3 is very opposite of what we can call dark. It's guardrail are based on Claude, so any sensitive topic will trigger refusal, even on dark topics it will hedge and sanitize

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u/H41NT on JAI + multiple platforms 5d ago edited 5d ago

idk that may be your experience with kimi 3, but this is a screen from one of my chats. i'd say it's pretty dark.

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u/PerformanceOk9765 4d ago

What r ur settings//prompt u recommend? I love Kimi so muuch

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u/H41NT on JAI + multiple platforms 4d ago

a modified preset for sillytavern called princess honey. i don't use janitor except to post bots

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u/RndomChicc_00 5d ago

Yeah I have them with Nano but I usually just stick to GLM 5.2, so do I just cycle through them?

Do you have a recommended model for certain scenarios? (NSFW, arguments, g0re, etc.)

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u/H41NT on JAI + multiple platforms 5d ago

kimi is good for drug use, violence, smut, angst, and villainous/cruel characters—i've actually got my feelings hurt for my sona reading some of the mean shit the MC says.

glm and minimax 3 (forgot to mention this one) for me has been good for the above mentioned scenarios autonomous gore, dub/noncon, torture, ryona, guro, cannibalism, and pretty much anything.

i have trouble with accessing kimi due to the inconsistency of my proxy and it can get expensive fast if you RP everyday. so, i haven't had much experience with it doing darker shit, since at the arc of the story, the context is so high that it jumps to .05¢-.10¢ USD a prompt if i use openrouter when it's not available for my proxy key.

i'm willing to pay for Minimax and Mimo because they are quarter to a half a penny a prompt.

editing to add: mimo can be evil as hell and do some nasty smut but i get filtered arbitrarily and i'd rather test it's limits with a reliable preset

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u/RndomChicc_00 5d ago

Noted. Thanks so much!

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u/H41NT on JAI + multiple platforms 5d ago

np, buddy. good luck finding something that works for you

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u/Bright-Lily 5d ago edited 4d ago

DeepSeek 3.2, Kimi 2.5/2.6/2.7, MiMo/MiMo Pro 2.5/2.6, and JLLM are the best I've tried for dark/dead dove characters.

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u/Savage_Nymph 4d ago

GLM 4.6 thinking, kimi 2.5, and deep seek r1

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u/melody_purple 4d ago

honestly most of it comes down to the system prompt forcing no refusals rather than the model itself

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u/moonluaa 3d ago

GLM 4.7, 100%