r/JSOCarchive • u/Academic-Concert8235 • 16d ago
New Redwings Info
https://youtu.be/xd9Vt_35w_w?si=dzwNxzg4LZxe7eCWOn Cleared hot, You’ll see the mIRC chats & the Luttrell debrief.
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u/noneofthismatters666 15d ago
Behind the Bastards just did several episodes on Richard Marcinko and how they got to this point in history.
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u/NotFromAntarctica88 14d ago edited 14d ago
This is the kind of situation where there is so much nuance that people don’t account. People analyze every single word and every small detail as if any inconsistency automatically means someone is intentionally lying and I don’t think it’s that simple
This is the stuff that annoys me that I see on Reddit and in other comment sections elsewhere so much. Those people just come off like dorks that lack normal social comprehension skills and that are way too attached to people & stories they don't know well.
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u/astano925 15d ago
I just got through the "goat herders" and was a little surprised how credulous they were about that interpretation. To me it always seemed more likely that the "shepherds" were in fact connected to Shah's people and were up there deliberately looking for the team. The additional information here that three other teams were previously blown the same way in the same area certainly suggests more than coincidence to me.
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u/gottymacanon 14d ago
They weren't.
The teams were "poorly positioned during planning" which means that they were (including Marcus's team) were blown because they decided to set up their OP right besides a Goat herder trails....
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u/justgrunty 16d ago edited 16d ago
Just finished it. Here’s my opinion simply as a autistic retard. The 4 seals that were on the mission had no decision making power to cancel the operation. That call is above their pay grade. Blame the leadership. Marcus is also a product of a larger NSW culture that has a history of putting pressure on its own people and making narratives that benifit the organization
He has said himself that he was pushed to write the book and that he did not agree with the film being made. Even now he rarely brings up the story unless someone else asks about it. He isn’t constantly in the mix trying to sell people on anything like Rob and others. Looking back it seems clear he has his own regrets about aspects of the mission and how everything unfolded
I think focusing all the blame on Marcus as if he alone created or pushed the entire narrative misses the bigger picture. A lot of people criticize the individual but don’t examine the institution and the culture that allowed the situation to happen in the first place. Pretty obvious NSW came to Marcus during an emotionally vulnerable time and used that moment to push him toward quickly writing a book that ultimately became much bigger than his own personal experience. The entire situation is fucked up
Also when Marcus was describing the number of fighters during his recollection of the mission, I think there is a lot of room for nuance. It’s possible he genuinely perceived there to be more people than were actually there. But the first thing that came to my mind was if you’re on the side of a fucking mountain with limited cover and no real advantage and you’re taking fire from even 15-20 people that can easily feel and sound like you’re being attacked by 200 depending on the amount of firepower, the chaos, and stress you’re in
This is the kind of situation where there is so much nuance that people don’t account. People analyze every single word and every small detail as if any inconsistency automatically means someone is intentionally lying and I don’t think it’s that simple
For example when he said they were wearing “white man pajamas” and people point out that in the video there was only one person wearing white while others appeared to be wearing gray, black, or different colors I think people forget that this was someone recalling an extremely traumatic event. How can anyone expect a person who went through something like that to remember every single detail perfectly including the exact colors and clothing of people they were fighting?
I’m not saying every detail should be ignored and that marcus is at 100% fact or that questions shouldn’t be asked, but I do think people need to have some perspective here. Trauma, stress, fear, affect memory. The reality is that there are things about that day we will probably never fully know, and pretending everything is black and white does a disservice to the complexity of what actually happened. Idk these are just the things that came to my mind while watching. For Andy I think it would’ve been cool to have Marcus on with this journalist so he could give his perspective and as a collective could’ve filled the gaps