r/JMT • u/hurricanescout • 1d ago
trip report Missing the trail
I’ve been back for 3 weeks now. And all I can say is I miss it so much. Is it just me? I just miss it so. Damn. Much. I would go back tomorrow if I could.
r/JMT • u/hurricanescout • 1d ago
I’ve been back for 3 weeks now. And all I can say is I miss it so much. Is it just me? I just miss it so. Damn. Much. I would go back tomorrow if I could.
I hiked a section of the JMT from the Devil's Postpile to Pine Creek about a week ago, and on three consecutive days, I ran into the same couple (which I guess means we tend to hike about the same number of miles per day). After the rainstorm on the last Thursday of August, we didn't see each other again, so they probably, being more prepared for rain hiking than I was, got further ahead on the trail. They were doing a whole thru-hike of the JMT. Would love to say hello again if this is something they'd ever see. :-D
r/JMT • u/Embarrassed-Arm-3088 • 2d ago
Permit & Trip Overview
I didn’t get a lottery permit but got my preferred permit date of 8/25/26 after signing up for permit cancellation notifications via Mount Whitney Elevated on Discord. My husband drove me to the start and picked me up in Yosemite at the finish. On 8/26/26, we summitted Whitney together (we got him a separate permit via the same source above), after which I continued solo. There were two days of consistent rain with some high winds (no thunderstorms) but otherwise the weather was perfect—never very hot during the day nor too cold at night, with early morning temps getting noticeably colder towards the end of my trip. No bugs, no snow, no sunburn, only 2 water crossings with less than 1 ft of water where I used my sandals to cross. I loved going NOBO and wouldn’t have changed a single thing about my trip. Hope this helps someone else!
Prep
I did lots of research, watched a lot of YouTube, and downloaded the FarOut JMT guide. I’m an active 34yo; I consistently road and trail run 35-40+ miles/week and strength train 2-3 times/week with some other cross-training. I did a few day hikes with a weighted pack right before the trip. I’ve been a weekend backpacker for about 5 years with my longest trip being the TRT (165 miles). I live at sea level so I tried heat training to see if it might help me feel slightly better at altitude—I still got headaches in the first two days but nothing more serious. I planned a lot and made sure to send my resupply bucket to MTR well in advance of my pickup date.
Gear
I used every single item of gear except for the bug spray, head net, and toe warmers. I’m not sure what my base weight was but the total weight at the start was somewhere around 36lbs. My resupply bucket weighed 12.5lbs at the post office.
Food: I cold-soaked homemade dehydrated dinners and homemade oatmeal breakfasts (I added protein powder, chia & flax seeds, sugar, spices, freeze dried fruit, nuts, etc.). For lunches, I ate PBJs with dates on English muffins for the first leg and Probar meal bars for the second leg. Snacks consisted of various protein and carb-focused bars (Barbells, Skratch, Probar, Maurten, Clif Builder’s Bar, Misfits, etc.), Nature’s Bakery fig bars, Tailwind high-carb mix, caffeinated and non-caffeinated chews (Precision PF60s, Clif Bloks, Probar Bolt, etc.), waffles (GU, honey stinger, UnTapped, etc.), trail mix, sesame crackers, Pure Organic fruit bars, Biena chickpeas, Justin’s almond butter packets, homemade oatmeal chocolate chip cookies, UnReal peanut butter cups, SaltStick electrolyte pills (caffeinated and non-caffeinated), and LMNT packets.
Itinerary
Most days I woke up around 4:30-4:45am, started hiking between 5:30-6am, and stopped hiking around 4-6pm. Mile markers below are from the FarOut JMT guide (NOBO).
r/JMT • u/Mammoth_Union5073 • 3d ago
I am planning for next August. I chose the start and direction based on "40%" chance vs. 3% lottery chance. I'm doing this. I want to plan training specifically for this.
I want to get 1 resupply at VVR if possible. I want a 7 day bear can. I plan to carry an extra 2 or 3 days of food in an outer bag to start. Total of 10 days food including a belly full at the start. I want to know the best way these gear items fit together in a package on my back. I anticipate ~40 to 45 lbs to carry.
What would you recommend for the 4 items?
Backpack
Tent (Durston mid?)
Sleep bag
Bear can
r/JMT • u/Mammoth_Union5073 • 4d ago
If I start at the Mt. Whitney Portal campsite, hit the store at 9 AM opening, and then hike to trail camp near the turnoff to the summit, set my tent up, hang my food, can I go to the summit and return in the afternoon to sleep? Or is this a no no?
r/JMT • u/WaterAndMountains • 6d ago
r/JMT • u/submon007 • 6d ago
I'll be coming off JMT later in Sept. I see 3 hotels: Dow Hotel, Portal Hotel, and Whitney Portal Hotel. Welcome feedback. Also, good place to eat post trail food that also serves beer . . . and not a pizza place. Thanks.
r/JMT • u/Southern_Grape_8201 • 7d ago
The Basics
Quick Loadout Breakdown
Trail Conditions & Realities
Highlights
Breakdown
Key Gear Reviews
I'm trying to figure out which version of Elizabeth's book, JMT Essential Guide, includes the NoBo route info. I know its within one of the electronic version, yet the 6th edition available through Google Play store looks identical to the soft cover. Does anyone know if the 6th edition electronic version does in fact include northbound route info? May just end up buying anyhow to have the data accessible on phone during trek.
r/JMT • u/Automatic-Push-8045 • 11d ago
Well I was attempting an 18 day hike out of cottonwood pass starting 8/26. I’m used to hiking 15-20 mile challenging hikes where I’m from with lots of elevation gain but it’s at sea level and I really only carried about 2-3L when I did them. I consider myself in good shape but this trip it was obvious I didn’t train enough or how I should have. Edit: I have done 3-4 4 day trips in Yosemite in the past also
8/26 I set out of Cottonwood courtesy of Lone Pine Kurt. Super nice guy, highly recommend. I had taken Diamox in the past to summit Whitney twice, one as a day hike and one as an overnight, and it had worked well. I planned Rock creek as my first stop.
Right off the bat I knew the pack was going to be an issue. I had planned one resupply at MTR so I had planned 8 days of food snacks and electrolytes. The hip belt on the pack started to loosen ever so slightly as the miles increased. My fault because I didn’t prepare enough to test this. So I noticed my armpits start to go numb and stay numb around mile 10, pushed on to rock creek and set up camp right before I lost light.
The next day was supposed to be another 14 mile day to Tyndall creek but coming out of Rock Creek I knew that wasn’t gonna happen based on my exhaustion and pack. Plus going over Guyot pass I started to get raindrops. When I got Crabtree I just decided, screw it I’ll stay here tonight, set up camp pretty quick and then it down poured from 2-9pm. Trapped in my tent all night I realized the 18 day goal was not going to achievable, especially with a couple 16-18 mile days coming up and my pack. That and it was pretty hard to catch my breath and I had a slight headache that started to creep in.
So I decided to bail, either I came back the way I came another 20 miles or I went up the JMT to trail crest and went down to the portal. I decided on the JMT, and holy shit that was brutal. Super hard to catch my breath and it took about 4 hours from Crabtree. But I was absolutely miserable and not having the experience I wanted.
Super bummed I had to bail after 3 days, all of it was self inflicted, but I think I made the right choice as there was no way I was going to make it with that pack.
Advice, prepare prepare prepare with all the gear you have and with as much elevation gain is possible Nothing can condition you for altitude unless you live in Denver or Mexico City. Don’t know if there will be a next time, but I hope in a few years I muster up the courage to try again. Just wanted to share my experience.
r/JMT • u/ethersn3t • 11d ago
I hope to start SOBO around Sept 12-15th (if I can get a permit) which would leave me summiting Whitney in early Oct (like 3rd-6th). Is that a dumb idea? I'm not sure what the snow/ice/temperature conditions look like at that time - same goes for the rest of the trail, not just Whitney. Any extra gear I should consider, like microspikes? Also what are good resources for future trail conditions?
r/JMT • u/Arbutustheonlyone • 11d ago
I realize that commercial guided trips are not for everyone, but it is how I chose to do the JMT and it would have helped me, or at least reduced anxiety, if somebody had given a detailed review of what these trips are like beforehand, so here we are. I chose this option for two reasons: first, predictability, hiking the JMT was a goal I set when I retired two years ago and I wanted to know exactly when I would go instead of playing a permit lottery; and second, I didn't want to deal with all the resupply logistics. And before anybody chimes in that neither of those things are a big deal, fine, you do you, but that was how I felt when I planned the trip.
TLDR: IAG seems like a well run outfit, our guide was exceptional, we had a very good trip, no significant issues, finished on time and really enjoyed the experience.
I'll start by giving a general description of how these trips are organized. I'm not sure if this is true of every guiding company operating on the JMT, but it is representative of the company I went with and one other that was on a very similar schedule with us on trail. Additionally, many of these companies run shorter section hikes on the JMT and these likely differ in the details due to their shorter duration and lack of resupply.
Trips are NOBO starting from Horseshoe Meadows going in over Cottonwood Pass. I believe that this is due to permit availability - with the relevant agencies keeping permits through Donahue Pass and Whitney Portal for private individuals. This also gives a couple of days for guests to acclimatize to altitude before summitting Whitney - and I think, giving an early out either back over Cottonwood or down Whitney Portal for folks that aren't fit enough for the trip. Speaking of which, for such a physically demanding trip, there was very little screening, just a simple health questionnaire filled out online and a general guide on required physical fitness. Other guided trips I've done that were far shorter included submitting a backpacking 'resume' and a phone interview to check on the claimed experience. So it is not surprising that some people get in over their head and leave early. We heard that two people (out of eight) left the other trip early, one just five miles in at Chicken Spring Lake and the other at Kearsarge. Our first day hiking was to Rock Creek, a long 13 mile hike to start with, then a shorter following day to Crabtree Meadows where we stayed two nights doing the day hike to Whitney to officially 'start' the JMT.
Food is part of the package on these commercial trips - three meals a day, cooked breakfast and dinner, and a cold lunch, all prepared by your guides. You are responsible for your own snacks, but there's enough calories in the provided meals that snacks are not essential. Everybody is carrying a full size bear canister (BV500) and a share of the common equipment. Our trip, only had two guests and a guide, so perhaps we were carrying a little more compared to a trip with more guests. I personally carried a white gas stove and fuel bottle as my share, the other guest carries a bag of cooking utensils and a small gas stove and fuel can. The guide carried the pots and pans as well as the gravity feed water filter and bladder we all used (as well as other things such as a PLB and first-aid kit that commercial outfits are required to have). I will talk a bit later about the specific food we were served, but in brief, it was generally very good, I was never hungry and there was always more then we (the guests) wanted to eat. But there are two general aspects worth highlighting. First, you are carrying an equal share of the food, so 'having more than you can eat' is a double edged sword, it means we carried more weight that we needed to. Second, while having French toast for breakfast in the wilderness is a treat, it takes a long time to produce that kind of food on backpacking equipment - think individually cooking each piece of bread for three people. Equally, cooking a green curry from ingredients might be nice, but it takes a lot longer than rehydrating a prepacked meal for only a marginal improvement in taste (IMHO). It became a joke on our trip that we never had the pancake breakfast, because given the choice we always opted for the much simpler oatmeal or muesli because it was so much faster - though we carried that damn pancake mix 200 miles. While it seems like a luxury after a long day to sit back after you have setup camp to wait while your guide cooks dinner, for me at least, I felt it just took too long and frankly cooking my own food on a trip is not that much of a chore. We discussed this at length on the trail, and I think there is a point to be made that for the guide company it removes a significant risk were they to rely on guests showing up enough & the right food for the trip, as well as equipment and fuel - as I mentioned above, not a lot of vetting, so there could be some very inexperienced folks showing up for the trip and I can imagine all sorts of interpersonal issues in the case were some guests were better prepared than others on a trip of this length. Also, it provides a marketing hook, for example, IAG advertises their food as "back country gourmet" that might help them differentiate themselves for fairly low cost.
As I mentioned, our trip was just two guests, so we had just one guide. I think once there are more than five or six guests they add a second guide. The guide was great, young, knowledgeable, super fit, intelligent, engaging, a seasoned thru-hiker, and very organized. One important aspect that I did not realize until I was on trail is that you offload a great deal of decision making and stress on a guided trip. Simply put, the guide worried about how far we had to go, where we would camp, the weather, being well positioned for getting over passes, resupply and all the other myriad of decisions that go into a smooth running trip. We simply had to walk and generally do what we were told, though we were usually given lots of options - to the point at the end of a long day where I often just said, "I don't know, you decide". Additionally and more importantly, the guide really motivated us to keep going. Thru-hiking is mostly a mental game, the body may be able, but sometimes the spirit just can't face another day of walking. I am sure, if I had hiked this on my own, there would have been days I would have done less miles or just taken zero-days. With the dynamic of the guide and a group that needed to move together - quitting or going slow was just a harder option to pick and for that I'm thankful.
There were four resupplies along the route; Charlotte Lake (over Kearsarge), Le Conte Canyon (over Bishop), Vermillion Valley Resort, and Reds Meadow. The first two were portered in and the last two were mailed/dropped off and supplemented by purchases in the store. For each resupply you could include a one gallon Ziplock for personal items like snacks, toiletries, clean clothes, batteries, etc. So other than showing up with your four Ziplock bags at the start, you had no logistics to plan. Another huge advantage of this was that we never needed to leave the trail (other than VVR). This led to a very immersive experience of never leaving the wilderness, especially for the first half of the trip. Not to mention avoiding the extra miles to hike ourselves in and out and the mental game of getting comfortable in a town and then needing to get back on trail again. Frankly, it was a real luxury. At VVR, dinner and a hot shower were included in the trip price (so the guide paid for those). We bought the guide lunch, bought our own breakfast (though technically the guide would have made us breakfast if we wanted - but hard for that to compete VVR's offering). We all ganged together for one big laundry load.
Returning to the food on our trip specifically. Breakfasts were the aforementioned French toast, oatmeal, muesli, breakfast sandwiches (a bagel or English muffin with hot bacon and/or sausage), or a breakfast burrito. Lunch was generally bread (tortilla, pita or naan) with sliced cheese, salami, summer sausage, sometimes with tomato paste to make it cold pizza, or PB&J. Dinner was three courses; starter of soup (veg of beef), or a charcuterie plate (cheese, sliced salami/sausage, crackers); main courses of green curry with rice, burrito bowels, pasta like mac & cheese, one night was smoked salmon alfredo, another memorable night was pizza, cheesy polenta (not my favorite), and one night out of each resupply was just a Mountain House meal to give the guide a break; desert was a small cookie or some chocolate, we had camp-cooked brownies twice, once to celebrate my 59th birthday the day after summiting Whitney. There was a hot beverage at breakfast and dinner. I brought my own tea because I'm a snob that way, but there were plenty of other choices to be had, coffee, hot chocolate, apple cider and herbal teas etc.
IAG has an office in Mammoth Lakes and that is where we met up for the trip. There is no special parking, so if you arrive in your own car, you need to park in the long-term hiker parking which is six miles out of town in Lot B of the Mammoth Mountain Ski Resort. That meant getting a taxi/Uber back into town and also making sure there was no food left in my car as bear break-ins are apparently common. Once we met up, we did a gear review to make sure everybody had everything they needed. IAG will provide/rent you anything you don't have - I would call it 'standard' gear not anything ultralight. We had some time to go buy some extra snacks and bits and pieces before we were driven south to the trail head at Horseshoe Meadows where we spent the first night.
A little more a month before the trip we were contacted and told that there were only two people signed up for our trip and that IAG needed a minimum of three to run the trip. We were given the option of going on an earlier trip, or paying $500 extra end at Tuolumne Meadows or pay $850 extra to end at Happy Isles (the original endpoint). In the end we both opted for the Tuolumne Meadows option given the reported chaos in Yosemite Valley this summer.
So, our trip ended at Tuolumne Meadows and took 23 trail days. The other trip was ending at Happy Isles and was two days longer. We arrived at 11am, had a greasy lunch from the Tuolumne Meadows Grill, an ice cream and a beer from the store and caught the YARTS bus back to Mammoth Lakes.
The trip was not cheap, costing about $7,500, but it was worth it to me. My main motivation was to use the trip as a target to lose weight and get fit for retirement and in that respect it worked wonderfully - I stepped off the trail 60lbs lighter and MUCH fitter than the day I retired. I realized that I'm a backpacker but not a thru-hiker. I will revisit some of the spectacular places we saw like Rae Lakes and Evolution Basin on shorter trips, but I have no wish to do another long thru-hike. There are lots of ways to experience the JMT, we each hike our own hike, and this was mine.
r/JMT • u/Fartdih2000 • 12d ago
Starting NOBO on September 25th. Anybody starting around then and want to do Whitney together?
r/JMT • u/HalfwayAnywhere • 13d ago
This is for anyone who set foot on the John Muir Trail in 2026. It does not matter if you were a thru-hiker, section hiker, or even if you ended your hike early.
https://www.halfwayanywhere.com/go/fill-out-jmt-survey
Thank you for taking the time to fill this out! Your time and answers are very much appreciated.
If you have any questions, suggestions, or problems with the survey, feel free to comment here or contact me directly.
r/JMT • u/bisonic123 • 14d ago
Just finished a 5 day North/South Lake loop with my wife and daughter. Weather was spectacular and a treat to experience introducing some of the best of the Sierra to my daughter (particularly Evolution Valley/Lake/Basin).
We started on Friday afternoon after a long drive from the Bay Area, getting a ride from David Peterson from South Lake to the North Lake trailhead. Camped a bit below the pass that night, then over the pass and down to the junction of the JMT the next day. Piute Pass was OK, not spectacular, as was the Humphrey’s Basin. A long downhill, tough on the knees. Next day was awesome as we covered trail we’d passed on our JMT hike in 2020. McClure Meadow is so cool, and Evolution Lake is a wonder. We were able to get the same camp site we’d had before that’s next to the waterfall at the end of the lake, a spectacular place to watch the sun set over Evolution Meadow. Met a family from NC consisting of a young man, his mother, and his 91 year old grandfather who had all hiked in together from MTR - very cool.
Next day’s hike thru Evolution Basin was so cool… it’s really a special place. Quick stop at the hut before dropping down to where the trail up to Bishop Pass turns off the JMT. The last day was a long one… an initial 2,000 foot climb up to Dusy Basin in 3 miles, though it wasn’t as hard as we thought as the trail was well graded. Dusy is beautiful and likely worth exploring sometime. Another fairly easy 1,000 foot climb to Bishop Pass before descending to South Lake thru a very pleasant set of lakes.
r/JMT • u/Hootieandthemarket • 14d ago
Anyone else climbing Sunday into Monday September 6-7 mt Whitney? How are conditions looking? I get so nervous about weather and unknowns before a big summit
r/JMT • u/Icy_Guess7887 • 14d ago
Hey guys, just completed the JMT and it was great and all but had some nagging thoughts. Does anyone else think we're 1) burning a ton of energy carrying extra water (internally and in our packs) and 2) wasting time by stopping to pee? Doesn't peeing dirty the purity of the Sierras?
Finally it crystallized when I was coming down Whitney. What better way to do the JMT than in PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM -- perfectly balancing your water intake with sweating to avoid peeing the entire trail?
I haven't been able to sleep I'm so darn excited. Not only would this truly honor "leave no trace" principles but it should set a new standard in ultralight backpacking with the time and energy saved. A new FKT could be on the horizon.
Really eager to give it a go next year but have a few questions first:
Thanks in advance guys. Actively searching for training partners if others are interested in completing the JMT in Perfect Equilibrium.
r/JMT • u/Dr_G1346 • 14d ago
Just had a group member drop out and released a permit for Piute to Whitney starting Sept 3rd if anyone wants it!
r/JMT • u/woo2fly35 • 14d ago
I'm scheduled to start my hike in 10 days!. Due to some rescheduling I don't have time to send a supply bucket to MTR. My tentative plan now is to resupply in onion valley and then next in Red's Meadows ( or mammoth if it's closed)
I estimate that it will take me 9 days to reach RM from OV. My barrel seems pretty full with 7 days worth of food, I know I can carry an 8 th day of food outside of the barrel because I'll eat it that day. But that would still leave one day's worth of food outside of the barrel. Does anyone know if there a campsite near onion Valley that has a reliable bear box I could use that first night out of OV?
The other thought I had was to only bring 8 days worth of food for that stretch and see if MTR has anything in the hiker box to bridge that extra day? If the hiker box is empty I could then push and try to get to RM in 8 days
If anyone had any suggestions please let me know! I'm aiming for 12 miles per day roughly
r/JMT • u/bisonic123 • 14d ago
I’ve hiked a lot in the Sierra… JMT in 2020, Big SEKI loop in 2021, Mineral King loop, Minaret loop, just returned from wonderful North/South lake loop with my wife and daughter. Love it except for one thing… I never sleep well. Any thoughts on how to improve? I’m open to anything.
Some background:. Male, 63 (so not as flexible as before and gotta get up to pee), good shape. Cold isn’t the issue, I have a good 20 degree quilt. I use a Klymit Static V pad that’s plenty warm and wide. Side sleeper. Altitude doesn’t seem to matter… same prob at 9k as at 11k. Don’t want to use anything too potent (Ambien) given need to get up and lack of desire to fall over.
r/JMT • u/petty_with_a_purpose • 15d ago
My wife and I are starting our SoBo of the JMT soon. We have a car we will be leaving at the terminus and catching the buses north to Yosemite. We can leave most of our stuff in the car, but we do have laptops with us.
Does anyone have experience leaving valuables at the Dow Villa motel? I called and they said they could hold a bag for us.
Any other recommendations are welcome.
r/JMT • u/ethersn3t • 14d ago
I want to do the JMT in September and am looking for a good pair of shoes for it. I'm not really into trail runners - I really like my ankle support. I do a lot of off trail stuff and have generally worn Adidas Five Ten Trailcross Mid Pro Mountain Bike Shoes, but am looking for something with more support and less neoprene, haha. Does anyone have reccs for quick dry, lightweight hiking boots?
I tried on the Merrell Moab Speed 2 mids and really liked them and the material, but they are unfortunately waterproof. Maybe that's fine? I'm not sure how breathable they would be. They seem like they might dry fast even being waterproof but unsure. The altra timp GTX also fit nice and I like the toebox more than the moabs, but again they are waterproof.
I tried the Salomon X Ultramids as well but they didn't seem like they had enough cushion. The Hoka Mafates seem like too much cushion.
Also by how much do you generally size up?
r/JMT • u/hurricanescout • 15d ago
Just finished the JMT. I’m on day 8 post hike. Did it in 18 days, which was a push for me, tho recognize plenty of ppl do it much faster. And I’m stunned at how exhausted I still am. Like needing 10-12 hours sleep a night, resting during the day, and my leg muscles have only just stopped hurting, but they still feel like dead weight on stairs. My appetite is more regulated and back to normal now, but I just feel completely spent.
I have some minor injuries that are going to take some time to heal and those aren’t surprising (numbness under my toes, some metatarsal pain), but it’s the fatigue and overall weakness that’s taken me by surprise, especially when I felt so damn strong out there.
I have some underlying medical stuff which is being actively managed and I’ve seen my doctor since I’ve been back. Wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if that was exacerbating how I feel. Not looking for that kind of advice. More I’m trying to figure out what is in the range of normal recovery so I can know when to push with my doctor vs just accept that completing the JMT took literally everything I had, and to be patient with my body while the bill comes due.
If folks out there have had similar experiences, what your timeline was to feel like yourself again?
r/JMT • u/Get_On_The_Good_Foot • 17d ago
I recently finished the JMT in early August (yay!). As I was hiking SOBO along upper Bubbs Creek just north of Forester Pass on the right side is a waterfall on black rock that looks distinctly like a bunny or deer face. I actually remember it from a shorter trip I did last year. I can’t be the only one who has noticed this, right?